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Title: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: Graham C on March 28, 2009, 08:22:39 PM PokerStars Game #26466745841: Tournament #151520955, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/03/28 20:17:28 WET [2009/03/28 16:17:28 ET]
Table '151520955 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: evie57 (1810 in chips) Seat 2: aljo1 (1420 in chips) Seat 3: lommo70 (1095 in chips) Seat 4: monteverder (2050 in chips) Seat 5: nix1987 (1330 in chips) Seat 6: Graham0573 (1640 in chips) Seat 7: TNT_TonyBoy (1520 in chips) Seat 8: ricmaz (1495 in chips) Seat 9: gypsysky76 (1140 in chips) nix1987: posts small blind 15 Graham0573: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Graham0573 [Kh Ac] TNT_TonyBoy: folds ricmaz: folds gypsysky76: folds evie57: calls 30 aljo1: folds lommo70: raises 90 to 120 monteverder: calls 120 nix1987: folds Graham0573: folds How bad was folding here? My theory was that it's not a made hand, there's a limp, a raise and a call so the changes are some of my outs would be gone, if not most. Plus, it's really early on and there's no need to commit with no made hand here. Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: gatso on March 28, 2009, 08:25:35 PM squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze
imo Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: feedthegoat on March 28, 2009, 08:39:15 PM My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold.
Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: Longy on March 28, 2009, 08:42:30 PM I flat here normally, if we were a bit shallower i would shove. I am prepared to go broke on just about all a or k high flops.
Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: thetank on March 28, 2009, 08:45:03 PM My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold. What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line? I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: Graham C on March 28, 2009, 08:46:37 PM I nearly shoved, will do next time.
Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: thetank on March 28, 2009, 08:51:07 PM Call>shove>raise>fold
Although shove might be > call at the $10s tbh, because donks will call with AQ, AJ, Ax more often Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: feedthegoat on March 28, 2009, 08:52:33 PM My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold. What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line? I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options Instacall at this level. Against better players I agree the 360 raise may be too exploitable but in a $10 game I'm happy it's profitable cos of the range of the reshovers. Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: Graham C on March 28, 2009, 08:54:28 PM you don't give someone that 4 bets much credit at this level? Even down here, people tend not to 4 bet lightly, calling a shove with not much yes, but not 4 betting, it doesn't happen that often.
Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: thetank on March 28, 2009, 08:58:16 PM My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold. What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line? I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options Instacall at this level. Against better players I agree the 360 raise may be too exploitable but in a $10 game I'm happy it's profitable cos of the range of the reshovers. Raise is a bit small though, you're going to get two callers and miss the flop most of the time I think. Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: feedthegoat on March 28, 2009, 08:59:28 PM No the 4 bet doesn't happen much but when it does happen AJ AQ are seen quite often in the games I've played.
Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: thetank on March 28, 2009, 09:03:12 PM No the 4 bet doesn't happen much but when it does happen AJ AQ are seen quite often in the games I've played. Would the players who 4-bet those hands not also cold call the all-in with them? Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: feedthegoat on March 28, 2009, 09:08:03 PM My usual line would be to repop here to 360ish unless my hud stats show the raiser or caller are total rocks in which case the fold is fine. Against unknowns at this level AK is too good to fold. What are you doing if someone 4-bets you all-in with this line? I think shove, call and fold are all quite close here. Although fold is certainly the worst of the 3 options Instacall at this level. Against better players I agree the 360 raise may be too exploitable but in a $10 game I'm happy it's profitable cos of the range of the reshovers. Raise is a bit small though, you're going to get two callers and miss the flop most of the time I think. If I get 2 callers and miss the flop then it's a tough spot yes and I give up if oppo bets hard. Still have plenty of chips left to play with. Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: feedthegoat on March 28, 2009, 09:10:13 PM No the 4 bet doesn't happen much but when it does happen AJ AQ are seen quite often in the games I've played. Would the players who 4-bet those hands not also cold call the all-in with them? Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: paulhouk03 on March 29, 2009, 12:55:00 AM Call>shove>raise>fold this Although shove might be > call at the $10s tbh, because donks will call with AQ, AJ, Ax more often u dont need to get soo tricky at the start just play abit of bingo Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: mondatoo on March 29, 2009, 03:22:20 AM Please dont fold ever why would you i dont understand your reasoning at all silo
Call is ok shove is fine raise is ghey fold is insane IMO ;D Title: Re: Early Donk and Go hand Post by: gatso on March 29, 2009, 09:36:36 AM this reminds me a lot of the ak hand billy posted recently. you're both reading info that tbh isn't really there
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