Sunday Storm, new table no reads ITM Big stack vs Big stack

[Young_gun]

As above ITM in top 200 and then this happens, no reads

PokerStars Hand #86282993510: Tournament #616010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (2000/4000) - 2012/09/16 22:17:18 WET [2012/09/16 17:17:18 ET]
Table '616010003 301' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: JoeSakicPL (136368 in chips)
Seat 2: DoffenH (19986 in chips)
Seat 3: all-ingar (55899 in chips)
Seat 4: Rim0777 (138423 in chips)
Seat 5: MAKS_YM5 (86668 in chips)
Seat 6: 73genius73 (71236 in chips)
Seat 7: JohnBevan882 (126205 in chips)
Seat 8: MBMB75 (21233 in chips)
Seat 9: stani111 (44348 in chips)
JoeSakicPL: posts the ante 400
DoffenH: posts the ante 400
all-ingar: posts the ante 400
Rim0777: posts the ante 400
MAKS_YM5: posts the ante 400
73genius73: posts the ante 400
JohnBevan882: posts the ante 400
MBMB75: posts the ante 400
stani111: posts the ante 400
JoeSakicPL: posts small blind 2000
DoffenH: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JohnBevan882 [ As]
all-ingar: folds
Rim0777: folds
MAKS_YM5: folds
73genius73: folds
JohnBevan882: raises 4000 to 8000
MBMB75: folds
stani111: folds
JoeSakicPL: raises 12000 to 20000
DoffenH: folds
JohnBevan882: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
JoeSakicPL: checks
JohnBevan882: bets 24000
JoeSakicPL: calls 24000
*** TURN *** [ ] []
JoeSakicPL: checks
JohnBevan882: bets 81805 and is all-in
JoeSakicPL: calls 81805
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Thoughts on each street would be appreciated

[Ricardov83]

30 bigs deep, miles away from the big money jumps I would decide pre flop if I am winning or losing and endeavour to wager all chips or pitch my cards in the muck.

As played, you don't beat much of his value range on the turn but you have so many blue cards that you could make a flush. I would not be folding at this juncture.

[rbc_mike]

^^Very much this. 4b/c and hold/get there.

[TL900]

shove pre.

[cambridgealex]

shove pre.

[scotty77]

very very very easy all in pre in a tournie like this.  top 200 etc means nothing!

[Killerkilsby]

Really open jam over 30bb?

[MC]

Really open jam over 30bb?

presumably they mean 4 bet shove, or they have misread stack sizes

4bet/call or 4bet shove both fine I guess

[Killerkilsby]

Yup misread it my bad.
Def 4bet shove pre.

[youthnkzR]

shove pre.

[JustinSayne]

I would be wagering the maximum pre

[OverTheBorder]

In the storm I 4b shove this everytime, most spewy tournament on calendar from my experience.  Not crazy about having a 1/6th of my stack in pre on a hand which doesnt flop exceptionally well, plus player looks solid so not sure I want to go through the streets if he has KK+ or AK then cest la vie

[Young_gun]

very very very easy all in pre in a tournie like this.  top 200 etc means nothing!

Rubz cheers mate <3

[Young_gun]

Thanks all, did think it was a bit deep to shove.

Is 4b/f ever bad here of make it 36k? Dissapointed getting stack and makin basic error

Will bare in mind next time im im this spot.

[JK]

I had a similar spot to this in the storm yesterday, just 4b piled and was happy about it. You'd be surprised what you get called by.

As played we have to go broke. We flopped toppest pair and a royal flush draw, which ranks very highly on all hand ranking charts.

The problem with getting this deep in this tournament with chips is you have to take these spots so it makes it pretty high variance.