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Can the pair of you please keep your pathetic, childish arguments away from hand analysis and stick to the point of the board.

Sometimes it can be mildly amusing but it gets really boring after a while.

It's no wonder hardly anyone posts on the board when two of the most frequent posters get in to these stupid arguments so often.

Stick to analysing the hand in question and quit the pointless binkering.

Both of you make useful input which can be discussed sensibly with other posters maybe sometimes lead to a change of original thought. Once it degenerates in to "my sharkscope's better than yours", "I've won more than you", "When did you last win a comp", "You only play £10 rebuys" it becomes a big joke and the thread dies.

I'll be honest. I like both of you but I'm really getting sick of hearing the bullshit.

/rant

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So what did you do on the turn Matt?

I'd a folded

Thinly veiled 'I want to be the next mod when Jane goes' post.

10% please Matt

Oh and btw, answer is no.

Soz

Matt for Mod

Ban Cos please we like Mantis

Matt to mod in real life ftw.

I think there is a couple of members who need sorting out.

Cant think of the names though

Was it Cane and Elaine?

Open up a thread where they can bicker about certain hands. The Greekstein v Mantis thread or summat.

fwiw i find their arguments midly amusing.

Have you seen the comment that cheeky bastard Amatay left on your PTR profile? ;)

Cos and Mantis HU4ROLLZ is the only way

Would love to do some sort of match vs him. Doubt he'll ever agree or have the money

I find them amusing too but that's because I know them both and can take it as the childish bickering which it is.

Anybody new to the forum who ventures to PHA and sees it though would just leave straight away.

We've recently had some good new posters including my hero Mr Keys and that slow rolling tosser Big charra but it'd be nice to see even more.

More opinions make for better analysis and improvments for us all.

I'm not saying that every thread should be deathly serious but there needs to be a mix of genuine hand analysis and messing about to keep it friendly.

I really thought you were going to say you'd booked them a room in the holiday in some sleazy hotel so they could get it out of their system.

Very dissapointing there fatty.

You see this is how it starts.

"Would love to do some sort of match with him" would've been fine but you had to add the dig at the end.

One little dig from Cos then Mantis will come on and say "I've made more at poker than you"

Cos then says "Prove it. Show my your sharkscope"........ Blah blah blah and so it continues......

You see what I mean?

Same old same old again and again.

What with all the lying, cheating, and stealing I see going on by members of this forum I kinda see myself as a shining fecking beacon of ethical behaviour actually. I only offer honest opinion and ask for nothing in return. I don't really think a bit of banter is a serious crime really. You will also notice that I only ever talk poker unless a sidepot of provocation is created by geeky greeky. You can't blame a cat for jerking around with a mouse, that cat will catch the mouse and let it go several times for it's pure amusement. I'm sorry, the temptation is too great.

I run a multi-million pound business and am very confident about my poker skillz.

I'll just break the above post down a little bit.

Those that know me will know I don't get wound up by you the way you probably think I do whilst you're smirking in your bedsit.

Beacon of ethical behaviour? No one here really knows you pretty much (just to please pieman I'll add in a usual line - not many £10f Walsall regs here that's why). You won't post so much as an online screen-name let alone anyone knowing about whether your behaviour is ethical or not.

Mouse I may be, cat you are not. Fish is more appropriate an animal to describe yourself, maybe donkey.

Fwiw I've never had a massive problem with you posting on PHA or that you're bad at strat. It's hardly a crime and many people make bad posts, myself included. I pull you up more for the fact that every post you write (and they are usually tosh) is written in such a condescending bainn-esque 'I'm better than everyone way', which is really ironic. You could probably pull it off if you were good.

And the whiter than white thing, lol. You've got personal with me several times without real provocation.

And finally I take it that's a 'no' to partaking in any poker challenge?

LOL.

Let's play then

I think we really need the Cos vs Mantis poker extravanganza.

Neither of them have a problem with monies apparently so here is what I suggest.

The challenge will last approximately 3 months. We need to cover a range of formats.
It needs to be fair and conclusive.

Usernames on here will be changed to I pwnd Cos, I pwnd Mantis and visa versa.

Live Event 1 - Both to play a GUKPT, point for whoever ranks highest
Online Event 1 - Best of 3 heads up tourney s'n'gays, point for the winner
Live Event 2 - Both players to play a live donkament, possibly DTD Saturday night, point for whoever ranks highest
Online Event 2 - Mirror prop, schedule TBC, point to whoever has the highest cash value
Live Event 3 - Heads up unlimited holdem, whoever leaves first loses, other player wins a point
Online Event 3 - Heads up PLO, point to the winner

Decider in the event of a 3-3, one super deep HORSE HU for $500.

Do you think you would win?

I was thinking more along the lines of 10,000 hands at HU cash $1/2-$5/10.

He can choose the game.

Or we could just let Matt smash their heads together for a while and the one with the least mushy head gets declared the winner.

Flip a coin, ldo. Everything is fiddy fiddy you win or you don't anyways.

I like Wardonkeys idea.

You judge my whole character on my writing style which is dry and doesn't reflect my character at all

I don't know why I'm obligated to "prove" anything to you.

I live in a house.

I don't play at Walsall these days.

Mantis,

Will you be watching me and greeky on the real hustle tonight? Its on BBC3 at 11pm.

Oh ok I'll prob Sky+ it so I can watch it when I return to my bedsit from the £10 re-buy at Walsall

would be epic. get trigg to run a book or summat.

i'll have a nug on Cos to win 5-1

Being a lover of controversy and grudge match ups myself this is pretty epic

(sorry MANTIS, I dont know you at all, nothing personal here) But As i know Cos personally and I feel like taking sides.....

GO COS GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!

(you should play 4 tables, 2 PLO and 2 NLHE hu imo - that was the format for my latest grudge match :) )

I would abs love to do this but he's not even answering whether he'd consider doing it.

Maybe because he's thinking of a way he can say no with a reason to justify that's it's not just because he'd know he'll get crushed.

This could be like Peter Andre and Jordan, we can get Team Mantis t-shirts and team Cos t-shirts made up.   wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Good job there isnt a fucking quoting round Cos

I was just thinking this rotflmfao

Fish posters ftw

Blonde Forum on absolute TOP form today.

I don't mind considering something. Firstly, I can't commit to the sort of schedule you are suggesting because of work and I would want a live challenge. The problems I have are that 1. I really don't like you, and so I'm kinda loathe to spend my pretty sparse leisure time around you or accomodate what you want, and 2. What challenge doesn't stop you bleating about it not being a big enough sample size blah blah when you get crushed.

Get your winkies out, the one with the biggest one wins, simples

I never knew winkie meant nose.

gg Mantis then

Exactly the same reason I don't want to play you live. Well not exactly. You don't really like me as you said, which means you may like me a bit. I def don't like you at all.

Added to this I'm sure we live far apart making this not very feasible to play live.

I don't recall ever suggesting us playing a schedule that's unbearable on our work schedules OR private lives. We could play a session once a week for a few weeks at a time of both our convenience.

It would be a lot more feasible, and not to mention easy to organise and facilitate an online cash challenge where we play 10k hands - it wouldn't take that many hours at all 4-tabling rather than paying the world in rake to play all night live and have only played a few hundred hands total. Not really a test of who's better whereas 10k hands online is.

You'd surely want the online route is you want to prove you are going to 'crush' me. lulz

Yeah I mean be fair lads, he's got no chance at the poker as it is, don't let him draw dead with a nose comp.

Not trying to be funny or anything but what makes you so sure that you'll crush him anyway cos? What sort of sample size have you got at HUNL?

forget the poker, could we just organise a debate please?

Two fellas, two lecterns, two microphones, a big hall.

All the audience has a button with a nose drawn on for Cos and a button with a thesaurus cover drawn on for Mark and we vote at the end?

IMO this shoud be a live challenge, no trackers, no calculators just a battle of will, skill and variance.

Another Great Moment. wp blonde

What about if the both take laptops to a casino and play heads up online cash but in front of each other, the best of both worlds.

yeah, battleship style, great for the rail :)

10k hands on 4tables shud take no time, could do it in three nights imo

Good idea, at least they'd be able to communicate in a way that comes natural to them both instead of using their mouths.

HEM -/+ EV graphs should solve this problemo :)

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I'll take an XXL please

We saw with Isildur that a group of players can study trends and discuss strat to gain an advantage. I have abs no faith you'd sit there alone in your bedroom at your parents house and not go down that road. In fact there's no guatantee I'd even play be playing you, so live would be the only option I'm interested in.

Oh and list the things I've done to any Blonde member that gets you questioning my morality and ethics. You have dreamt up a picture of me living in a bedsit, playing small stakes at Walsall, and generally being a bastard, and it's all in your head son. Like I said before you're a proven poor judge of character.

hu4rolls already pls.

LOL sorry mr cat, I thought it was only you who liked to play with the mouse?

and LOL @ me getting someone else to play you. I read your posts on PHA - you're gonna get battered whatever happens - I wouldn't pay someone else money I could be earning myself. The only person who may play u instead is my 13 year old sister while I go take a shit or something. That's how much respect I have for your game.

Just got home from work, anyone want to play 25/50c HU PLO while we are railing this argument?

I think you should settle in your natural habitat on World of Warcraft as your both such internet warriors.

Benders.

What does your business do Mantis?

lol

Only way this will happen if there is an online and a live element, otherwise both parties will just stick to their guns and nothing will happen

What about the other question. You don't respect my game? So what? What about general character? I keep getting reminded of how your continued involvement with this forum keeps bringing the place down. I think you're way ahead of me in the queue to GTFO the forum. You don't rate my strat? What a joke.

Quick "brag". I just achieved my first level 80 :D

I just want it to happen. Will make no excuses. Willing to play both.

Maybe something like a 10% crossbook in live tournaments too.

I dont play myself mate, but I have a mate who does.

I'm led to believe reaching a level 80 would be like winning an EPT without the prize money.

Well done!

I'm the General Manager of a Health & Fitness club. I currently run a gym in B'ham and a 2nd one in Bristol. I don't own the business.

Have a fitness based challenge with Cos, star jumps or someink

Ah my bad. Sounds pretty sweet though.

Helping all the lycra-clad ladies to bend and stretch is actually rather taxing ;)

What  a pair of wankers, you really take cringe to new low levels.
Though I suppose if I don't like it I can go elsewhere.

Exactly that.

Fuck off.

rotflmfao Amazing!!



Ill take one please Mr Eck!!! :)up

Am I a sad bastard for laughing my tits off and being entertained by this type of nonsense?

Oh and time for this imo.......... :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjDy8fYJcuw

Don't you just love this internet dick swinging ...someone will mention the 'R' word next.

I think Matt just wanted to prove that he is a better OP than Tikay...failed

love u xx

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I'm sure you two gayers would like each other if you met IRL.

Let's all just get along, :D

so glad i stumbled upon this thread lmao

woodsey where you wanna play 25c/50c?

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LOLOLOL

Tilt but u not yor other half right? LOL

lol yes me

Was joking but I'll sit now screename susannie

Ginger is on the case

what happens if Cos loses the first grudge match?  do we end up going as far as 'best of 351'?

?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gFIDiBq0E

STOP TALKING EVERYONE

Tightys' post and Andrews' pic need more love IMO.




rotflmfao  ;hattip;

Thread is a waste of time it'll never happen.

Cos why don't u just go down to Walsall and win a 10r?

Cos hates to play within his bankroll

Well he could rebuy 15 times and go busto?

bump

OMG people, Andrew is probably crying at home right about now that he is not getting the respect he deserves.  ;grr;

No sample size. They're both shit. They should just flip for it.

Cos is my hero...................

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rotflmfao

300k hands at 0.5/1 and 1/2 running at 3bb/100

screen name?  site?

Cos wins as when you take all the lettters between COSMANTIS and re arrange them,the only word you get is monastics which originates from greece  :dontask:

there are loads of good anagrams of GREEKSTEINMANTIS though.  Teenage Rim Stinks is possibly my favourite.

THIS THREAD KEEPS GIVING

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pmsl  rotflmfao

Then how can you claim to 'crush' anyone at a game that you have an hourly rate of about $4.50/hr at over a decent sample, and thats assuming that you're 2-tabling

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

lol it was just a random bs stat.

I've never played much hu.

I'm a 6-max cash player. Primarily PLO and mixed games.

I've just come in from a night out, completely boloxed and cant think of anything to write but bthis thread isepic I actually love grudge matches and Im with mr. keys

PLAY LIVE PLAY LIVE

il lay Mantis @ 6/5 just to get the action cos i love risk
RISK RISK VARIENCE RISK all I can get please lots of it :)

grrrrrrrrudge oiyo

cos, will this go ahead before or after your grudge match with feldman?

Didn't he meet him and fell in love with him ? Pretty sure that's why he doesn't want to meet Mantis

FYP

Pretty sure I pwned his soul at the Irish Open.

Just confirmed to me that a bumhunter or not, someone who plays like he does can't beat the game in a normal fashion to have built a roll like he did.

This is mint... lol

Surely there's a weekend you can both agree to? A DTD deepstack weekend would be good. Could be part of the live update.

Did you actually play him HU at the Irish Open or did he just end up at your table?

Or did you just rail him in a cash game and muttered 'wanker' under your breath before legging it?

On our starting table he was sat on my direct left. We were like 8-1 in pots. But that's just cos he's a nit and you can just get him to fold everything. [  ] Just like all the other guys who have crushed high stakes poker like he has.

You see when you were tucked up with your hot milk later on.  I went on a bumhunt and found him on a 5/5 table
[ ] and took all his cash

Not that it matters now that we know that cos just made it up but 3bb/100 is a pretty small winrate for NL100. 6max grinders that table select decently can beat 24 tables for 2bb/100.

I'm not saying that Cos wouldn't win, I'm pretty sure he would unless Mantis has been hiding his online names 'cos he's some sort of sicko. It just irritates me when people call others out saying how badly they'd crush when there is very little basis for such a statement....then just lie about your playing history. If you really wanna play him heads up then do it on his terms if you're serious about it and you're so sure that you'd win, but theres just no need to call the guy out saying how bad he is/how much you're gunna crush him when you really have little basis for it.

Do you think you'd beat someone like Albert Sapiano at any game and format he chose?

read the 9 pages expecting there to be some kind of grimm at the end. warning on thread its just 9 pages of dross.

If you had to have a bare knuckle fight with either

a) One horse-sized duck

or

b) 50 duck sized horses

Which would you rather fight and why?

Thought I'd post an equally relevant question...

I'm fairly certain we've had that particular debate before.  Trying to find the thread, but no joy so far. 

that was a thread of mine

I think the consensus was a horse sized duck would be the option of choice.

Gatso's our man for tracking down old threads.  Almost certain it was a good one too.

soz, I've never read that thread. sounds like a question that shoelace fella asks people in the well though

It was on the Luton update thread I believe

One horse sized duck obv

Yeah its a good one, I would say horse sized duck because he can stamp on the duck sized horses and his feet would be massive

yes if given the choice I would take one big duck please in a fight with 50 lilliputian horses

how are we measuring the size? if the duck is the height of a horse it wouldn't be too bad. if however it was the same size lengthwise it'd be bloody massive and a completely different proposition

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

This morning just gets better and better!

Kids asked, "What are you laughing at?"

So I posed the question of wee horses vs. big duck.  Look of worry from the three of them as they shook their heads. 

"There really is something wrong with the lot of ye on that forum Mom."

Through fits of giggles, "You can sing that!"

can we get this thread back on track please, it's getting ridic. some of you have started pitting the small horses against the giant duck which is just wrong and will probs get us all arrested

My apologies. I would fight 50 small horses please

Bare knuckle fight?  Has to be horse sized duck so.  Assuming we must use fists, bending down to kick the kageebess out of 50 wee horses can't be good for anyone's back.

Horses don't have knuckles

Anyway, I am using my feet.

50 is too many of them though. You'd be overwhelmed. I'm more agile than a horse sized duck so would use that to my advantage so I could attack its weak spot for massive damage.

what is the weak spot of a horse sized duck?

Personally I'd take the horse size duck. Ducks aren't particularly nimble, make them the size of a horse and I think its gunna have agility issues

Trying to swat away 3 wee wasps takes serious effort. 

Picturing you vs 50 duck sized horses?  Can I watch please and thanks. 

I can't figure out a way for 50 duck sized horses to do anything that would seriously hurt, unless they could coordinate somehow and climb on each other to form a giant duck sized horse.

A horse sized duck could accidentally fall over on you and it would be game over.

So is Cos the Horse Sized Duck or is Mantis?

This thread entitled Cos and Mantis is the most viewed thread on PHA and has attracted most comments. What a great double act we are. Well done to Greekstein who has played an integral part in this success. As with all good double acts there is one boring plain straight guy who does his bit to facilitate the comedy process. The other guy is the talent of the duo. He is funnier, more intelligent, and better in every which way. Same with this double act. I'm like the Bobby Ball to Greekstein's Tommy Cannon. FWIW I would prefer Mantis and Cos though as I think it's got a better ring to it.

Never gonna pull in the crowds though is it!?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Knew they loved each other,so ridic

Cannon and Ball, like Hale & Pace, were a rare example of a comedy duo with two straight men.

says Graham Norton himself.

Just my Thoughts

1 horse sized duck, has 2 main advantages POWER, and SIZE.
we can easily combat the size advantage with speed and agility, assuming that we are in reasonable condition (which is doubtful in the poker world)
however the power issue could be a problem, because he could actually have the ability (as a horse does) to destroy you in one move (bite/kicking etc) plus I have in on good authortity ducks have a nasty streak to them

50 duck sized horses, as stated is a different propersition entirely, because firstly they are going to BE horses, as in hoofs, and poweful kicking abilities, this could be a serious problem if there are 50 of them, although 50 of them would be difficult to organise unless thes had a general or a leader able to effectively direct the fight,
They would have a massive disadvantage though because of how easily you could kill them, but I think you;d have to have extreme stamina to fight off 50.

I think, if you were prepared to grind out you'd take the 50 small ones, but you're fighting a small edge over this sample size, better IMO to take a shot and battle the big one

yeah was on the luton thread.  Pretty sure Sighmuns first posed the question - shame on Tighty for trying to take the credit!!

Oh come on - how hard is a duck-sized horse going to be able to kick?

50 duck-sized horses. Don't even feel this requires an explanation, it's just so obv. Like the questions they ask you on the break in x-factor.

Next pointless question please.


and cos... I reckon mark would have you. He would just wait for you to blow up in his face (no innuendo intended)

or a horse sized duck for that matter. how much damage is a huge flipper foot going to do?

Forget the kicking. What about when it just starts flapping it's wings crazily and randomly snapping it's beak and moving it's head about?

If any of those catch you it's game over.

The duck sized horses can only cause damage to just below the knee. Because of their size I think their bite would be fairly ineffective. This leaves only one weapon which is the rear kick.

So as they come towards you there's no real problem apart from the odd head butt. As long as you watch out for the ones reversing at you (which horses do badly) you're not going to get too badly hurt.

As has already been said one kick would kill each horse. 50 kicks won't be easy but it'll be possible.

How would we kill this horse sized duck though? You'd have to get close to it to cause any damage and that puts you in range of wild flapping. Unless it's Queensbury rules you wouldn't stand a chance.

This really isn't even close. 50 little horses 100% of the time.

This is all bullshit, I reckon I could batter 50 ducks right now so I think a horse sized duck would have no problem with 50 duck sized horses, he would just stamp on them, easy.

Who would win in a fight between a Barry Neville sized James Atkin and three James Atkin sized Barry Nevilles?

 rotflmfao  Now yer in trouble..............


 ;popcorn;

How does this even work?!

I was wondering when we would get on to the real issue here.

three mini Barry Neville's obv.


No contest.

Thing everyone is failing to realise is the organisation. If the duck sized Horses are organised then you;d be in real trouble, you get kicked so agressivley below the knee you'd fall over and then you'd be well and truly in the shit because there's little to no way to defend yourself from 360degree ground attacks, even if there is only 20-25 left alive (pr 15 fully fit and 7,8 injured ones)

At least with the one large duck you can identify its weakness (speed, and reach) and counter them, you wont be getting any suprise attacks or anything, target its legs and just avoid the wild flapping and pecking at all costs

Much closer than stated imo

How about a duck sized Barry Neville and a horse sized James Atkin?

That could be close.

Depends who was wearing the Ed Hardy T-Shirt/ Boss Suit/Timberland shoes * delete as applicable for the current week

How about one big end thread /

or 50 little end threads //////////////////////////////////////////////////

i want to play this challenge.

Don't think it will happen because of Mantis

restart thread - let's get this done

let's throw in a charity angle so mantis will feel bad for saying no!

If we're going to credit the horses with organisational skills then I think it's only fair to assign a bit of fighting knowledge to the duck as well.

A Horse sized duck with some tactical fighting skillz would kick ass. You wouldn't see any wild flapping because it'd know it's own weaknesses and your's and use it's size to it's advantage.

It'd conserve it's energy until you were close enough and then wildly flap the living shit out of you.

I think you're both straying away from the point here. We need to sort this duck / horse thing out.

Also Greekstein already does charity work. He's called Dave Penly.

Just play it live

Normally charity involves something that can be helped. GrimmerDave is beyond help

fine by me

Appoint someone an official go between maybe barry carter- he could do a write up

Cool its on then, Mantis and a Duck Sized Barry Neville in a rap battle with Cos and a Dave Penly Sized James Atkin with horse legs and a copy of the Deans killer roulette system on ebook

Nah, I get all my good stories from you George, you can do it

This.

Keys already made a perfect suggestion. 2 dealers, 6 hours, probably get 200 hands or so in.

I know it's not a huge sample but who gives a shit, this would be far more entertaining than playing 20k hands online.

I really wouldn't blame Mantis for not wanting to play 20k hands online at all disciplines. How f**king boring!!!! The man has a job and presumably a life. Why would he ever consider this unless he suddenly decided to give up on a human existence.

He's got no reason for not playing it live though so if Cos will agree to that I think he may get him.

Fine by me.

£2/5 - £5/10 and I'll play at the Vic or DTD or Luton at the GUKPT

Is it too soon to suggest Dave Penly as escrow?

Look likes mantis is out of excuses

£100 f/o's - whatever structure you want, as many as you like. I pretty much only comment on tournaments on PHA. And DTD is fine by me. Also you put +1 after every one of my PHA posts for 1 week after I win.

Regards the horse and duck question. Since when are horses organised? Horses are just random wild and crazy. It corrupts the question if we suggest tiny horses can outwit our flying boot. They can't. They are horses. Now the horse sized duck is an entirely different matter. That would be terrifying. The suggestion is we beat the big crazy flapping wings, mad quacking and biting with our agility skills but the reality is we die almost straight away.

With 181 replies this is the 2nd most popular PHA thread ever.

Clearly I was wrong in thinking that people were sick of Mantis and Cos' petty bickering.

Carry on gents.

FYP

FWIW sounds like your ducking the challenge to me

Cool, soon as I get back from Vegas - DTD fine with you?

I'd rather do 5x £200 hu's so there will a) def be a winner and b) chance to win £1k off the other

thats not fair!

if he plays MTT's he plays MTT's

cash is a different animal

Had to say this Im FEELING LOVED RECENTLY! May come out of RETIREMENT! x

Orly? I get a choice of three venues all of which can be considered home turf for Greekstein. He will be supported well at any of them and is why he proposed them. I agree to that condition no fuss. If you don't think venue concession is important I will happily accomodate 5x£200 at either Walsall or Broadway. Unfair as always Bedi.

I'm just messin with you Mantis. If there's a book for this I'll be backing you to win. +1's from costas on your posts would be sweet

Shotgun laying mantis

sounds gay

Looking forward to seeing the generous long odds. I reckon the best value will be from Greekstein himself who's bound to offer you at least 2/1 on this very thread.

lol can't believe I didn't twig that before I posted it

nh sir

The Vic is only home turf in terms of me living in London - not in terms of support. I don't really know anyone who plays there regularly as I don't often go myself.

DTD was suggested as a middle ground for both of us really, though it's further for me to travel to than it is for you, I just thought it's a good place as they'll be able to supply a dealer and willing to accomodate this game unlike most places. It can also be done around something like a £300 weekend. I'll have a lot of friends there yes, but I guarantee they'll all be anti-railin me like mad.

Luton was suggested because of the GUKPT mainly but I can play any time you want to go there. [  ] I'm popular amongst the Luton regs.

Live feed from DTD imo, so we can anti rail online ;D

Wow! What a plan Woodsey, could be amazing.

Pay per view

Followed by Cos iron'ing out Riverdave's face.

Very good point, I had in my obsession with the tiny horses being organised forgotten/disregarded the the intelectual property of the large duck, which perhaps given its size would be more inteligant than an individual tiny horse....well made


In all seriousness lets please have some odds and assign a bookie - thing is i know zero about MANTIS, mantis would you feel comfortable in sharing online names/real name so I can accurately asses form and price? do you play exclusively MTTs or any cash at all???
tyx

Ya I'm not keen to play HU SNG's (ideally I'd play cash) but I don't want to be seen to be setting all these awkward terms and stuff like Mantis is.

Btw I think Mantis probably did your calculations too Keys, and thus his decision to play HU SNGs.

Good work. Although you have rendered you're own fine work slightly pointless, but a thorough conclusion is always useful regardless!

Yeah imo the best way to truly define skill over a small sample would be to play min200bb deep cash HU. Maybe NLHE/PLO mix although MANTIS might not know PLO as well as COS in which case its unfair to include that. As you said. 2 Dealers, 6 Hours = approx 150-200 hands and we can all (anti)rail.

Now If mantis isnt comfortable here, and is more experienced with MTTs maybe put a 60bb CAP on it.

Thoughts?

Let's talk about the facts. I've made over 1,500 "insightful" posts on PHA and I think 2 of them have been on cash hands. I don't play cash so I don't pass comment. It's my tournament strategy you insist is terribad. But just so I understand. I give you a choice of structure and amount of games at a venue that suits you, a place where all your friends hang out, I work every weekend but am willing to organise time off from my schedule, you want to choose the stakes, and now you want a format I don't play. And you accuse me of "awkward terms and stuff". What a joker. It looks like you're trying to get every advantage against my terrible ass. My offer remains on the table.

Also can you please stop getting grimmed all the time. I mean every time I log on there's another Greekstein grimmed thread up on the board. It's makes me feel a bit of empathy for you and I don't feel comfortable with that.

Cliffs of middle part of thread plz
read first 3 pages and last 3 pages, seems dull

Yes I'll try not to get grimmed again but it's become rather a force of habit.

Yes I insist your poker thinking and basics are very bad and I know I would beat you over any sort of reasonable sample at any game you chose, tournament or cash. Cash, imo is just a greater test of skill - hence why I want to play deep stack cash against you.

What do you think about James Keys' post? I just want to play a game where we can determine true skill as much as possible.

Pretty sure you insisted on £100f's. I want to play for more than that but I don't mind particularly so will play pretty much anything (apart from £10r's).

Since you're a tournament specialist and I'm predominantly a cash player, I'll spot you your edge. Why don't we agree to play maybe 6 of the same tournaments throughout the year and most money won sends the other £1k and does your +1 post thing to the other's PHA? (If you play online we can add like 10 tournaments to this).

I reckon this and another thread are all part of a long con, Cos is eventually gonna somehow organise a heads up online PLO challenge vs Mantis and its actually going to be Riverdave playing on his account

Mantis has a point about playing cash tbf but don't think it really converts to HU, you either know how to play or you don't.

200bb deep no blind increases call it a cash game, call it a sng, whatever it will give the best player a chance.

fine by me.


lols

Fk all this 10 tournies a year crap please.

Heads up as suggested earlier. I have my Mantis t-shirt printed already.

No good to me if you start spreading it out over a year.

Thanks.

np with me

Cos you need to start another heated discussion with somebody else imo. I'm concerned that 2 concurrent discussions and a 2/4 PLO game isn't enough to keep your mind fully occupied and you will get bored.......... :)

lol come on Susannie join the fun

Yeah you definitely sound biased. I would suggest your revelation is rather ghey though. You have managed to find 4 posts on one thread out of 1500+ posts. Obv this proves I post on cash all the time. Why don't you count the total and come back and tell me when you're done. The reality is I think you sound childish mate and I really don't see you picking on me. Your horse Greeky makes the stats up. Also Greeky wtf you want some long term 12-month commitment off me now????

homegame somwhere for the win.

me
cos
mantis
keys
b carter
woodsey
tikay
tighty
chilli (eye candy)

Whoever's out first has to deal obv

 ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend;

It's probably best you do calm down. If you came up to me in a casino or wherever and tried to speak to me like that I'd knock you spark out. Not saying that in a nasty way, it's just a reality. The fact you think it's ok to take that tone with people on a forum is very childish yeah. I was willing to come and play at dtd in good faith but whatever.

i'll play the winner :P

Hand analysis posters should be judged on the content and quality of their posts and not on their ability to produce sharkscopes, hendon mob profiles, OPRs or whatever.

In the general sense, it's not so ridiculous an idea that someone wanting to talk about how they think when they play poker hands wishes to remain annonymous.

Certainly PHA shouldn't be judged based on the outcome of lol live poker grudge matches that are being discussed.

What if Mantis were to beat Greekstein? Are we to then ignore all Greekstein's hand analysis posts and closely study those of Mantis?

If you want to call Mantis out, attack what he posts, and argue as to why you think it's flawed. If this has been done time and time again and no-one takes him that seriously anymore then you've already won.

I would praise the lord as it would be like all my Christmas's had come at once.

Not commenting myself on the quality of Mantis' posts but if he is posting nonsense then this isn't necessarily a bad thing? Other people can argue the point and it prompts debate, enabling people to look at situations in ways they might not have done so otherwise. etc.

You sometimes try and hold over me in debates using your frilly and fancy language Mantis. It often works in the eyes of others and makes you seem clever.

Then Keys comes on and absolutely pwns the hell out of you and you threaten to knock him out. wp. (Little hint here - Keys is one of the nicest, friendliest guys I've ever met in poker. You can see that the way ppl like myself, George2Loose, Hopkin and Evilpie are comedy fanboys sometimes).

Really he's said nothing wrong and all his points are accurate and based on fact. No one cares about who posts in PHA. You have a condescending tone, write in unnecessarily long paragraphs but most importantly, you present your point of view as fact or the correct one when often it is so far from the optimal way to play a hand it's untrue.

You challenge him to go through all your posts. Why should he? You're the one who said you'd only posted twice on cash hands when at a 2 minute glance he found 4 posts. We know you're talking rubbish already.

For once, why don't you stop twisting EVERYTHING with fancy language and answer some of the valid points in question.

I'm sure once you did that, arseholes like me and nice guys like James would leave you alone.

To an extent this is true, for the first few thousand posts. After that it might become a bit of a pain in the bum tho no?

i pointed out Mantis' politicians answering style over 18 months ago (probs when i first posted on PHA) - it has continued as a relentless drone since.

The irony is - that on occasion his posts are sensible at their core, but wrapped up in so much drivle, i cant bring myslef to read them!

Maybe Mantis, you should realise that your posts are not always good strategy advice, and that there are better players on here who offer great advice (on on occasion they too are off the mark). So maybe sometimes accept that you got it wrong, or that there is a better way to play a hand

But the simple reailty of the fact is this, if i was offered advice by 5 high stake regs, 5 reg players, and 5 mantis types, that would be the order in which I would ingest their posts, given that option.

oh and mantis - try posting hands sometimes

I'm gonna start using a different colour text too, me likey

I want to say that I quite like Mantis. Think he's good for the community and that, his alternative perpective has some value.

Think my opinion may be largely to do with me skimming over pretty much everything he writes on PHA without actually reading it.

I like him tho, and as thread (the parts that I haven't skimmed over without actually reading) has taken on a nasty tone, I'm a bit worried that the intent is to hound the poor guy out of town.

One more thing, Greekstein said that he was worried people would be unduly impressed by Mantis because he occasionaly owned Greekstein with carefully chosen flowery words.

Don't be too concerned I would say, it's not squaring the circle. I doubt many people would be too impressed with a labrador retriever who owned Greekstein with carefully chosen flowery woofs.

I didn't mate.

Also thought this myself,I was close to having a go at a couple of newbie posters who decided to join in the mocking which really wound me up.Obviously everybody isn't going to like each other but as far as I'm aware Mantis hasn't actually done anything wrong other than posting debatable analysis of hands so I don't see any reason why pleasantries can't be exchanged and nothing more.

Makes you wonder why a lot of people probably dont post their thoughts on the PHA board??????

Because they don't want to improve?

Plenty of people make terrible posts. None present them in such terrible ways.

Can we stop with the elements of character/posting style character assasination now please?

I mean, am I the only one uncomfortable here?

No I'm cringing too, both are showing themselves to have ego's bigger than their brain's and BR.

Also ban Matt please, a terrible thread, bring dewi back!

I don't want to get involved in the bickering side of things. I  do think a bit of banter and light hearted piss taking is fine but it does seem to escalate beyond that level on this forum.
 FWIW i've generally found the posts of Mantis and the style that they are written in to be entertaining and informative. I also enjoy Greekstein's contributions to the forum too. It just seems a shame that things have to turn into a slanging match with some very unsavoury and uncalled for comments.
 How about a truce? It's only a game of cards.

No.

In truth, I could benefit a great deal from posting on pha, but the arguments, badmouthing and lack of respect for someone else's opinion just completely spoil it for me as a resource.

+2.

Forget the poker prop as nobody actually cares.

What about a see who can stay off the PHA boards the longest?

I really think people over-exaggerate how bad the pha part of the forum is,I don't think there's very often anything THAT bad on there to make it that scary or upsetting a place.Yes if you put a thread up that seems so obvious to others then there'll be the odd sarcastic comment but is that really that bad ? Baring in mind that a lot of people who post on there now didn't do so a year or so ago then I'd say that it's a lot better than it was and really not that bad at all.

Mantis gets slated because of the tone and arrogance in his posts.

People like Red Dog, Longines, Matt50 who have posted above wouldn't get responses like Mantis does because they don't warrant them.

True but you said something a bit like that and I wanted to get the dig in about being owned by flowery woofs coz I thought it was comedy.

I didn't quite get that. Even asked someone clever (Tighty) on msn and he didn't understand it either.

I wasn't referiing to you Mr James Mfkn Keys. I don't remember thinking you'd made one post on PHA that was anything but fair please keep posting on there,love another official fanboy  ;)

This was the whole point of the thread.

Read the OP mate. It says it all. Every time you get Cos and Mantis in on a thread it descends in to a load of bollocks just like this has.

I gave them a platform on the PHA board and it's become the most posted on thread ever. Just shows that they are less bothered about analysing hands than continuing this ridiculous, long running and childish battle.

Also I don't think anyone needs to worry about Mantis. I've only met him once but I thought he was a nice bloke and clearly of a suitable mental state to ignore the rants of anybody on here.

I don't think he would see any comment on here as a character assassination because what you see on here isn't his true character anyway.

I really don't get the hatred for Mantis, he offers an alternative point of view from the standard and while he is often wrong imo that is for the reader to decide. I pretty much read his posts with a filter on and he will occasionally say something which I find interesting/useful.

As for the whole PHA is a not a nice place, you should get yourselves over to 2+2 this place looks like a monastry compared to there. Yet through lively debate that has been pretty much the leader in poker theory over the last decade, not a coincidence. You either want to improve or not and if a few childish jibes put you off getting better at poker, then you don't want to improve at poker enough imo.

swing and a miss then looks like

I can't win a teddy every time, even if I could I wouldn't have room for them

Yeah of course mate, your objective sure wasnt to shitstir.

Lol.

I've never been a shit stirrer Cos. I'll leave that in the hands of people who are far more practiced at the art.

What I said in the OP was true. I was sick of all the bullshit and just vented a little bit.

The way this thread has gone just shows that neither of you can give it a rest and I honestly think it's ridiculous.

Ahh ok, prob a better way to go about it, especially from the results of the thread was to ding us both a pm.

You've never said anything about it to me in person or on msn which is why I was surprised a thread was necessary.

Having contributed to this forum for about 3 years what exactly are my crimes in that time? The facts are I’ve never asked for staking, I’ve never stolen anyone’s money, I’ve never loaned money, I’ve never hurt anybody, I’ve never cheated anybody, and I’ve never wished ill will on a soul. Frilly language? Long paragraphs? WTF? People need to grow up. So I agreed to come and play a challenge and put to bed whether I can play or not. I reckon if somebody sits in front of you all night playing cards you should be able to form an opinion about what their ability is like. Can't you guys do that? It has to be 20k hands mixed games until you can make a decision? The problem now is that people who don’t like my poker strategy are thinking it’s ok to slate my integrity and my general character. Example, I said 2 posts instead of 4 and that makes me an outright liar, when the point I made is concrete solid. Do I expect someone to count them all? If they want to call me an "outright liar" then yeah I do. My character, my integrity and my ethics are snowy white. And I think people on here are bang out of order to question them. What poker player doesn't have a bit of arrogance and a bit of confidence? Anyway I will prob take a break from PHA as pure nastiness for the sake of it is not something I enjoy.

James, just so we are clear, I stand by my post as well. Away from the bubble of the PHA board if you ever came up to me in the real world with that rude and aggressive attitude I would knock you clean out. You think it’s ok to take that tone because you don’t like somebody’s poker strategy? I think you’re a keyboard warrior who’s getting carried away. I don’t care that you’re “known” or whatever, if you think you can bowl around like that you’re mistaken. You can apologise for calling me an outright liar if you wish. In all honesty I really don’t give a fuck about poker strategy in comparison to real life integrity and class.

[edit; posted simultaniously to mantis, not in response to]

I think there is misinterpretation on the mantis stuff from some of the bystanders

the word hate is used alot, but i dont think that is the case.

I have met Mantis/Mark in real life, and we spoke for maybe 20 mins before a poker game which i bust early. He is a nice guy, affable and the kind of person I would gladly chat to in a poker room, as there are many of folk up and down the land.

However, his blonde alter-ego, Mantis, just follows the same path which gets under people skin. There is nothing wrong with "playing devils advocate", answering questions with a question, deflecting, .................... and all those other debating skills. HOWEVER when that is ALL you do, in response to EVERY post, it becomes tedious. People start to lose respect for your opinion because that is all you do.

So I would urge Mantis to sometime come along with your opinion, sometimes start threads, SOMETIMES play devils advocate, and sometimes agree with Cos! Im pretty sure that if this happened, all this "hating" would cease. But the reality is, always being provocative is neither appealing nor clever. A skilled debater, you must give the man credit, but a good poster on PHA? Well when I see some of his contributary posts on strategy - i will reconsider my current negative opinion.

Mantis - I can understand you taking issue with those of us who have never met you but do you not think for a minute when you see a post like Outragous's above that some of us might have a point? He's basically said you're a nice, likeable guy in real life, but you're not that same guy when you post, which is a shame.

Again, you've highlighted the less important things in your post like '2 cash hands / 4 cash hands / who cares cash hands' and failed to address the real issue of why certain members of the forum hound your PHA posts.

Also, your posts threatening violence are ridiculous and embarrassing under the circumstances. You feel empathy to me for being grimmed; I feel it towards you for threatening to punch James Keys.

I couldn't care less about the challenge now and for the sake of the forum I won't comment on you in PHA hand threads any further.

It looks like rain again.

I'm about to lock this flippin' thread unless from this point on we can all pack it in.

Thank you very much

I'm a purely recreational player who likes to venture onto PHA to hopefully help improve my game.
As a mainly live player I do feel that my game has improved just by reading this thread.
Some of the advice is good some of it's bad, but you know what, that is purely my opinion and actually learn from both.

I don't know Cos but I have spoken to Mark on a few occasions and found him to be a good decent chap who doesn't really deserve the slating he receives on here.

I've got an idea-
Cos, Mantis why don't you both take a pic of your c0cks send them to Claw and let her decide who's the biggest and then put this girly bickering to bed.

Why not let Mantis fight a horse sized duck and if he wins he's allowed to post whatever he wants?

Also just a thought, it seems as if the COS/MANTIS debate has left who's better at poker and become personal, so would playing even settle this?

Well who am I to refuse the last word on any subject ;)

A lot of the criticism on this board is down to the tone and content of my posts. The content is pretty much always about hands of poker, and the tone is tongue-in-cheek banter rather than outright rudeness. Members of the Red Hand Gang take everything too literally and personally, but my intentions are never to make a mug out of anyone. Yeah, I take an anti-clique stance on here but it's all pretty light-hearted. Greekstein, although we've had some banter I know where to draw the line and respect you like I do everyone. I didn't rub you on the Blatch thread and I didn't rub you on the RiverDave thread. If you opened your eyes it would tell you want sort of guy I am.

I'm not the sort of guy to walk up to someone in a casino and punch them either. I haven't punched anybody since school. But I don't like bullying and have always stood up to cowards who think they can bully people when they've got safety in numers. James, in a couple of months I will have more time to play and will be getting up to dtd. I will happily look anybody in the eye and repeat the content and tone of any post I've made to their face. Then I'll tap you on the shoulder and politely ask you to come outside to stand by yours. I am pretty sure you will want to make excuses and avoid that confrontation. When I was asked to stand by my poker posts I didn't avoid that confrontation. And in that we have the difference between me and you as men. Like I said, whether you should raise with Jacks or not is pretty insignificant compared to the substance of one's character. You don't want to apologise, so I will post the result on this thread of how you stood by the tone and content of your post when the challenge is complete...

Mantis your being a knob making these threats I'm soft as shite but if you want to tap me on the shoulder and fight me at DTD for saying that then ok that should be fun.Why aren't you threating Cos or others as they've said worse to you, I'm pretty sure you are doing the bullying here.

Don't involve me in any fights. I don't wanna get hit in the face.

In all seriousness- Mantis you are being OTT with the offer of a fight.

Mantis - I appreciate what you said about me in your last post. Come and introduce yourself next time you're at DTD and we'll have a drink and chat. Maybe it's best we don't mention any hands of the tournament we're both in though lol. I think we've probably just crossed wires too many times and it's pretty obvious neither of us are bad guys.

Please drop the stuff with James Keys though. He wasn't questioning you as a bloke - he was questioning your posts and your online persona.

oi

i havent said anything bad about him!

Glory be.

Tighty has asked for us to STFU about it so I'll say no more,post amended :)

Would be incred if Mantis and Cos played HU in DTD or something and loads of peeps watched in awe as Mantis took Cos apart using an unorthodox and unconventional stlye of poker that all made us question our own games.

gogogo Mantis, revolutionise the game of poker! I've never liked that Greekstain fella anyways.

My problem is that you think you're entitled to come onto a public forum and say that I am in the business of being an outright liar to serve my own ends. I don't know what ends these are btw. If you want to read your posts again you will see you're not saying "that's not true" you're slandering my character and making me out to be a completely negative individual who only wants to cause trouble. After 3 years of often constructive involvement I find some 8st kid breezing up to me and taking such a personal tone pretty offensive. Most of what you said wasn't about poker strategy, it was about trying to bully me. I'm not threatening you at all I just want to see you try and bully me in the real world. Obv you can still apologise if you wish.

There's talk of 'taking it outside'

Is the online equivalent taking it to pm?

Skolsuper>>>>>>>SkGV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Mantis

The point I disagree with: I said I posted on two cash hands. I didn't go back and count them at the time, but from memory I thought that sounded about right. So far you've been able to find the two cash hands I was talking about. The point I made was an honest one to show I don't play that format of the game. You think if you can prove I posted on one more than I thought you have the right to call me an outright liar and say my motive is to deceive people. Even though the point will be the same. What is your motive to be so childish with the exact figure? To try and win an argument you started?

I'm not worked up at all and I'm not going to just come and punch you in the face. I want to see if you will stand by your nasty words in the real world. Any reasonable person knows if they are rude aggro and insulting to people in real life they will probably get some sort of reaction. The last bit...when asked to prove if I can play I agreed to come up to dtd on my own and prove it. So when I run into you and ask you to stand by your post I am keen to see you prove it on your own as well.

Iv been following the thread excitedly since it began but have gotten a little lost if someone could clear this up for me!?

1)are Mantis and Cos friends now? talk of drinking together has been sprouted :S

2) is the fued now between James Keys and Mantis? if so how the hell did that happen?!?!>£K"ER

3) has the grudge match been cancelled?

4) is there going to be a james keys/mantis grudge HU match instead?

5) why is James Keys getting punched? Whenever Iv met him he's come across as a really nice, pleasant guy, I would certainly rank him very low on the list of people I would like to punch.

6) I had a similar spot to Mantis on 2+2 once when someone called me out for being tez at poker, posted a screenshot of my PTR -$11k and said i was a loosing player etc shudnt be posting on forums. I would ordinarily just ignore this cos I dont really have anythign to prove, but because it was a personal attack on me I just stuck a 160k hand graph showing lots of profit in his eye (then got drunk and insulted his family hence why i dont post on 2+2 anymore) obv shudnt insult people's family but i dont understand why Mantis doesn't just tell everyone his screen names, he doesnt pretend to play for a living so I dont see what difference it makes? (again Mantis no offence that was genuinely wanting to help comment)

Also I never understand why people think their ability to "stand up for their integrity" defines them as a man, spesh in a faceless indentityless platform like this. Surely if you hve character and integrity, the last thing ud need to do is demonstrate that to the world? Standing by what you think = respecting/keeping an open mind to other peoples opinions, whilst remaining confident in your own, how exactly is James supposed to "stand by his post" by punching you in the face, i dont get it.

And standing by a poker opinion is a really stupid idea, kinda the opposite to the idea of PHA, you post opinions so others can critique them, sometimes people say stuff r.e my posts i disagree with completely but you're not always playing opponents that think like you, so reading aand understanding other people's thought processes is a vital part to improving @ poker imo...

Having said that posts like "bladabladabla if that is the case what is the point in this thread" are not helpful

tbf lildave if you did try and punch keys it would probably hit him on the ankle

which brings us to the question - who would you rather fight 1 james keys sized lildave, or 50 lildave sized james keys?

rofl, is this the integrity and class you talk so much about.

This threads pretty pathetic, fish gonna fish no need to tell them how awful they are as long as they keep playing!

but who is better, only one way to find out...................................

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ajHs8tCWew

To make you aware of the final count. I've commented on 538 threads - 525 tournament threads and 13 cash threads. So about 2% of my comments are about cash games. I think it’s reasonable for me to say I don't comment on cash very often. And I think it's especially reasonable for me to say that when I'm negotiating a challenge. You on the other hand think it's reasonable to call me a liar and suggest I’m deceiving people during those negotiations. On a forum I've been posting on for 3 yrs. Good luck trying to find an argument in 2% that justifies you doing that. Mostly all my posts were positive and constructive as well. Overall I'm pretty sure my contribution doesn't warrant being told to fuck off the forum by a professional player who invests far more time into the game than I do. But you stick to your guns big man.

fwiw iv always thought mantis's strategy posts were different and enlightening. Much the same as i find Keys's posts generally technically spoton, tightends of the conservative viewpoint and dubai's at a higher level than anyone he will probably ever face off on the felt. Poker is NOT chess, its the variety of lines/villains/situations etc that make the game so fun and addictive. and LOL at dumb threats that were made and stupidly rude comments, stop waving your cocks about and get along.

Wanna fight?

FFS guys give it a fecking rest :-X

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Irrationality-Stuart-Sutherland/dp/1905177070

That's a really good book that covers a lot of ways people behave irrationally, especially where statistics are concerned.  Highly recommend it.

It's a better read than the bulk of this thread.

+1

Would look something like this, I imagine

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q31XdlsC4D4

Mr Kettle is holding for you on line 1.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=40762.45

In this thread I propose my strat. Tank proposes a better one. I agree his strat is better than mine. A thoroughly positive thread as well as Tank didn't seek to ridicule somebody he thought was wrong. Obviously though we would need to discover the number of times I have actually made "mistakes" in those 538 threads to identify how often I concede them. Without those statistics I could be conceding mistakes 100% of the time. But anyway, in your own time son....

Thanks to both of you, for helping me look a bit better now. lol

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Mantis&word2=James+Keys (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Mantis&word2=James+Keys)

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=horse-sized+duck&word2=100+duck-sized+horses

fyp

(obv strength in numbers i guess)

wait wtf the graphic just randomly changes with each click?

Aaron itt pls

Wish I had the time.