37BBs w/KQo

[Flash92]

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/6651566_1CFF17F7D7

EP guy is 33/22, MP is megafish at 67/41, BU is only a dozen hands running at 36/9

Too much to shove or is it okay here? Prefer a flat or 3B to what size?

[Flash92]

any thoughts, see a lot have ready ha!?

[gouty]

Reminds me of my 6pm till 7pm play every Sunday in our local casino. Get a stack or drive home to the pub and get on it.

That's probably not a good thing.

[corkeye]

 I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.

Fold pre>peel>3b>jam.

I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me.

Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it.

[Flash92]

I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.

Fold pre>peel>3b>jam.

I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me.

Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it.

How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament?

[Ironside]

I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.

Fold pre>peel>3b>jam.

I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me.

Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it.

How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament?

your oop with a hand that makes 2nd best a lot

[willrobrobu]

peel 100%

[Jono3131]

I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.

Fold pre>peel>3b>jam.

I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me.

Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it.

How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament?

your oop with a hand that makes 2nd best a lot

Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot....

Folding is completely out of the question.

With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not.

Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas

[Ironside]

I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.

Fold pre>peel>3b>jam.

I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me.

Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it.

How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament?

your oop with a hand that makes 2nd best a lot

Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot....

Folding is completely out of the question.

With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not.

Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas

makes 2nd best wayy too many times much more often than making best hand
suited isnt so bad but even if you flop top pair you dont even have top kicker
i dont mind the shove it gets through more often than not (unless your rep is as loose as mine)
but never ever peeling with this hand in SB

[Jono3131]

I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.

Fold pre>peel>3b>jam.

I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me.

Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it.

How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament?

your oop with a hand that makes 2nd best a lot

Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot....

Folding is completely out of the question.

With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not.

Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas

makes 2nd best wayy too many times much more often than making best hand
suited isnt so bad but even if you flop top pair you dont even have top kicker
i dont mind the shove it gets through more often than not (unless your rep is as loose as mine)
but never ever peeling with this hand in SB

So the raiser only raises AK and AQ? Not kq, kj, Qj, qts some kt/k9s? And all the peelers are more likely to have AK/AQ then any of the previous hands mentioned? And when it comes KT5 they don't ever do money with gutshots/2nd pair etc? You're reasoning is absurd.

[Ironside]

I honestly can't see how a shove here is good, you're praying you don't get called basically.

Fold pre>peel>3b>jam.

I don't like 3betting either as the size you will have to make it is a large amount, and are you really looking to bloat the pot pop with this hand- doesn't seem good to me.

Peeling is ok I guess but still not in love with it.

How can folding be better than peeling given players stats and the tournament?

your oop with a hand that makes 2nd best a lot

Lol what?!?!? You're oop with a hand that makes the best hand a lot....

Folding is completely out of the question.

With this amount of dead money in there the jam is fine. If against a single raiser then clearly not.

Those saying fold had too much to drink over xmas

makes 2nd best wayy too many times much more often than making best hand
suited isnt so bad but even if you flop top pair you dont even have top kicker
i dont mind the shove it gets through more often than not (unless your rep is as loose as mine)
but never ever peeling with this hand in SB

So the raiser only raises AK and AQ? Not kq, kj, Qj, qts some kt/k9s? And all the peelers are more likely to have AK/AQ then any of the previous hands mentioned? And when it comes KT5 they don't ever do money with gutshots/2nd pair etc? You're reasoning is absurd.

no KQ oops against 3 possible 4 oppos when BB calls will make 2nd best too many times and you will lose more than you win
either isolate or fold IMHO limping in will lose you he most in the long run

[verndog158]

am always peeling, but to shove 37bbs with this hand in the storm is ridiculous.
considering this is probably over average at this stage too, think its stupid.
peel as generally flops well in my opinion

[JGill_DTD]

Depends how comfortable you are postflop.

In the Storm I peel pretty much all of the time, however in a regfest vs solid players I probably fold the majority of the time.

Jamming is the nut worst line imo. You are so deep, jam gets through majority of the time but when it doesn't you are in terrible shape. OR playing PFR 22 is probs a bit tighter than that in EP (lets say 15% or so), meaning J10s is bottom of his range so he isn't THAT wide. He probs calls with top 4% of hands, so he calls ~30% of the time which is a fair amount when you are risking 37 bigs in this spot.

[Flash92]

Depends how comfortable you are postflop.

In the Storm I peel pretty much all of the time, however in a regfest vs solid players I probably fold the majority of the time.

Jamming is the nut worst line imo. You are so deep, jam gets through majority of the time but when it doesn't you are in terrible shape. OR playing PFR 22 is probs a bit tighter than that in EP (lets say 15% or so), meaning J10s is bottom of his range so he isn't THAT wide. He probs calls with top 4% of hands, so he calls ~30% of the time which is a fair amount when you are risking 37 bigs in this spot.

Good post. thank you.

[rfgqqabc]

How can a flat possibly be bad when we can play for 2pairs, trips and straights and still be profitable? We are calling 900 into 5040 and the big blind will have an extremely good price at this point also. We don't just have to stack off on K/Q high boards, we can just call the flop and fold turns especially on dry boards because people don't barrel light in these tournaments.

3bing would also be fine although stack sizes are a little awkward. If we make it about 5k, we will have a nice low stack to pot ratio and people will have a hard time 4bing as a bluff so we can be fairly happy 3b/folding even though it is for a chunk of our stack. Again if we make top pair we really dont have to worry too much, people are likely to get AK in pre and AQ might fold or might shove as well. We really don't have to worry too much about being dominated with a spr of 3. If one of the players are particularly crazy then 3b/folding becomes worse, we pretty much have to fold but can definitely get shown worse sometimes and have good equity vs their range.

I'm never folding preflop, I think I 3b here and flat more at higher stakes. Jamming > folding too imo.