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January 22, 2021, 12:52:37 AM »
Quote from: RED-DOG on January 21, 2021, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: StuartHopkin on January 21, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: Rod Paradise on January 20, 2021, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on January 20, 2021, 10:16:09 PM
So they must be legal if they are renting them out.
Only where there are trials of them.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/london-host-uk-trial-escooters-transport-for-london-b72225.html
They are all over Nottingham
https://www.transportnottingham.com/projects/escooters/
You have to ride em on the road Stu?
Seems dangerous and unnecessary to me.
They're all being ridden on the pavements - hundreds of 'em.
I knew I'd heard something about only being allowed to ride one if it was rented.
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Re: Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary
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January 22, 2021, 08:12:29 AM »
Quote from: Karabiner on January 22, 2021, 12:52:37 AM
Quote from: RED-DOG on January 21, 2021, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: StuartHopkin on January 21, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: Rod Paradise on January 20, 2021, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on January 20, 2021, 10:16:09 PM
So they must be legal if they are renting them out.
Only where there are trials of them.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/london-host-uk-trial-escooters-transport-for-london-b72225.html
They are all over Nottingham
https://www.transportnottingham.com/projects/escooters/
You have to ride em on the road Stu?
Seems dangerous and unnecessary to me.
They're all being ridden on the pavements - hundreds of 'em.
I knew I'd heard something about only being allowed to ride one if it was rented.
I read the regulation they're using in Nottingham that allowed them to run the trials - there's nothing about it being related to the hired ones; they basically just legally re-defined them as bicycles for the trial period.
There might be city regulations on top of that and terms and conditions when you hire them that make a difference, but I would have thought the main basis of only using the hired ones is that this trial is temporary. If you buy one then it's still only legal to use them on the road, within the same boundaries as the trial, and once it get's to March 2022 they're going to be illegal again (unless they change the law at that point).
The point of the trial is to see what effect it has, so you should feel free to complain about them being ridden on the pavements. But if the end result is a noticeable fall in car numbers without any significant impact on road (or pavement) safety then it might not make too much difference to their final analysis.
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Re: Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary
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January 22, 2021, 01:42:04 PM »
Quote from: Jon MW on January 22, 2021, 08:12:29 AM
Quote from: Karabiner on January 22, 2021, 12:52:37 AM
Quote from: RED-DOG on January 21, 2021, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: StuartHopkin on January 21, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
Quote from: Rod Paradise on January 20, 2021, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on January 20, 2021, 10:16:09 PM
So they must be legal if they are renting them out.
Only where there are trials of them.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/london-host-uk-trial-escooters-transport-for-london-b72225.html
They are all over Nottingham
https://www.transportnottingham.com/projects/escooters/
You have to ride em on the road Stu?
Seems dangerous and unnecessary to me.
They're all being ridden on the pavements - hundreds of 'em.
I knew I'd heard something about only being allowed to ride one if it was rented.
I read the regulation they're using in Nottingham that allowed them to run the trials - there's nothing about it being related to the hired ones; they basically just legally re-defined them as bicycles for the trial period.
There might be city regulations on top of that and terms and conditions when you hire them that make a difference, but I would have thought the main basis of only using the hired ones is that this trial is temporary. If you buy one then it's still only legal to use them on the road, within the same boundaries as the trial, and once it get's to March 2022 they're going to be illegal again (unless they change the law at that point).
The point of the trial is to see what effect it has, so you should feel free to complain about them being ridden on the pavements. But if the end result is a noticeable fall in car numbers without any significant impact on road (or pavement) safety then it might not make too much difference to their final analysis.
Well I think that's a really sensible approach. Much better than the usual knees jerk dismissal without proper evaluation or consideration.
I hope they get the thumbs up.
I can't wait to see Ralph on one.
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January 22, 2021, 02:02:14 PM »
It's a stunningly beautiful day here and I'm sitting on the settee starting out of the window, totally apathetic.
Once upon a time you would have had to strap me down to keep me in on a day like this. I think lockdown has turned me into Jim Royle.
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Sunshine my arse.
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January 22, 2021, 02:54:36 PM »
Snowdrops are appearing already.
Early snowdrops. Feels like last Spring only ended recently. Such a weird year.....
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im not speculating, either, but id have been pretty peeved if i missed the thread and i ended up getting clipped, kindly accepting a lift home.
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Quote from: booder on January 22, 2021, 02:54:36 PM
Snowdrops are appearing already.
Early snowdrops. Feels like last Spring only ended recently. Such a weird year.....
Great spot Boo.
Brexit, Trump, Covid. What a 5 year stint.
I wonder what was on the news before that?
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January 23, 2021, 11:54:41 AM »
Never mind snowdrops - we've got mammoth-sized snowflakes falling in Nottingham currently.
They're enormous, something to do with global-warming ergo more moisture in the atmosphere causing oversized snow-flakes.
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January 23, 2021, 12:08:01 PM »
Quote from: Karabiner on January 23, 2021, 11:54:41 AM
Never mind snowdrops - we've got mammoth-sized snowflakes falling in Nottingham currently.
They're enormous, something to do with global-warming ergo more moisture in the atmosphere causing oversized snow-flakes.
We got tiny snowflakes.
I knew global warming wasn't happening in Sharnford.
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Every time I wake up the radio is playing I got you babe. (Specialised joke for movie buffs)
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January 24, 2021, 09:28:30 AM »
Quote from: RED-DOG on January 23, 2021, 12:11:26 PM
Every time I wake up the radio is playing I got you babe. (Specialised joke for movie buffs)
Spooky. Playing now on Radio 2.
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im not speculating, either, but id have been pretty peeved if i missed the thread and i ended up getting clipped, kindly accepting a lift home.
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
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Hello Dog people
https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2017/06/pets-dogs-cats-eat-dead-owners-forensics-science?
Would your dog eat you if you died?
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Hello Dog people
https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2017/06/pets-dogs-cats-eat-dead-owners-forensics-science?
Would your dog eat you if you died?
It's an interesting topic. Unfortunately I'm no more capable of predicting this stuff than anyone else.
My best guess is that like so many things, it would depend.
IMO the main factors would be.
Dog starving. I would certainly eat my dog if I was starving. (even if it wasn't dead)
Corpse becoming disassociated with living person.
Dog breed.
Dogs temperament and relationship with deceased.
Dog being overcome with grief and eating owner to protect them (as it would a bone).
There must be thousands of cases of people dying alone with their pets so I'm betting this is rare behaviour.
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A 14yo boy shot and stabbed by a group of 14 - 16yos in a residential street in broad daylight.
Has this kind of thing always happened, (If it has I can't remember it) or is it a recent phenomenon?
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Quote from: RED-DOG on January 25, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
A 14yo boy shot and stabbed by a group of 14 - 16yos in a residential street in broad daylight.
Has this kind of thing always happened, (If it has I can't remember it) or is it a recent phenomenon?
Shot might be less likely because of the availability of weapons - but the general sentiment, yes.
Difficult to differentiate between any acutal increase or decrease in behaviour because obviously it can just reflect an increase or decrease in detection of such behaviour. It can also be coupled with more general police behaviour. At certain stages of history their might have been a view that they would discount children as suspects because they just didn't believe it, and at other stages of history they might care less about if they got the actual person as long as it was pinned on someone.
Separately to that this covers the topic a bit,
https://emotionsblog.history.qmul.ac.uk/2013/11/confessions-of-a-boy-murderer/
The first paragraph from that is is this, "In 1892 a sixteen-year-old boy named John Wise joined his friends on an excursion to Weymouth. On reaching the chosen destination, a stone’s throw from Portland Prison positioned high on a rocky peak, the boy spun round and pushed Lawrence Salter off the cliff. At the coroner’s inquest into the boy’s death Wise explained his reason for committing murder. He simply said, ‘I did it to be hanged.’"
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