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I had written a long post thingy but its been changed to this...



When is using the rules to get yourself a pot, when is that going too far?

For example, if someone said "I think I've got to call" and turned their hand over, you can ask for a ruling if you so choose, as it may be against the rules and if it is the floor should make a ruling.

If someone said "I have to call" and turned over their hand, it is a call, whether you have air or the nuts. You shouldn't not call for a ruling when you have the nuts, and call for a ruling when you have air. This is abusing the rules to gain a personal advantage.

Wanted to add my 2cents early to see what people say after all the random live rulings we spoke about today. Probably need a longer post although we know how difficult it is to explain without weighting the question.

If it isn't 'fair' that you should win the pot - that's too far

Absolutely 100% ^^^^^^^^ this

This is one type of example we talked about...

What I'm asking is what have you seen or done yourselves? where is YOUR line?

WHAT is too far, and WHY???



Rules is rules, if someone makes a mistake, shouldn't they lose out???

No, the [majority of] rules are there to prevent angle shooting, collusion, cheating etc... they are not there to be used as a stick to beat those that are ignorant of them and/or have simply made a mistake.

Go write a book about poker and I think u will sell a few.

I'd say we should apply the rules to ensure a fair outcome, not USE the rules to gain an unfair advantage.

Crying 'string bet' to avoid having to call more to see the next card or cards for instance.

At DTD, cash game, i bluffed the river on an ace high board and got called.  The guy declared he had an ace so I mucked and he then turned over some junk I would've beat.

Cheating?  Breaking the rules?  Fair game?  My own fault?

John for your own reputation I would prob ask mods to delete this thread as I'm sure ppl will think vvv differently of you if you state some of the things you had previously done and things like this spiral out of control and only ends in tears.

See him in the car park later

Start the spiral!

A properly run game would give him the choice of taking the pot and being banned for life as a cheat or conceding it to you.

well it's proper fucking grimy but if you never muck your hand till you know you're beaten this will never happen to you :(

I played vs a very well known player in vegas he bet the river all in and the guy goes, well I think I'm going to call you at which point he says "Striaght" and goes to turn his hand over - the other player says "whaow i never called yet" the guy calls the floor and makes a huge fuss saying that the player had said call and insisting that it was to be ruled a call. After 3-4 minutes the floor ruled it was not a call and the player folded his hand, only to be shown something resembling 9 high.

I think you go with the philosophy of just not being a dick and let that rule you over what the "rules" are.

You have got some instances where you have angled someone aint you John. Let's hear some of em. :)

Surely this depends on the situation though. I was once in a live game where somebody had some chips in their hands dropped some of them in and when another player went to call dropped more in. I would have called for a ruling here myself.

Wise words from plenners.

If the person was string betting as an angle shoot - that does seem fair enough

Of course it depends on the situation. But we've all seen the angle-shooters cry striing bet when someone drops one chip a nano-second before the rest.

im sorry but am i missing something here? abc poker. Never muck your hand till you see what the other person has. And never declare what you have until you see those chips cross the line. Sorry if it sounds harsh but its not rocket science in those situations

yh +1

Also the example someone gave of string betting is clearly an angle btw. If you call string betting when obv not a string bet just so you can call for cheaper, this is not even remotely anything but 100% cheating.

The string bet rule is the worst rule in poker, but i've prolly ranted about this 45 times in the past.

If you use the rules to get an unfair advantage you are cheating /thread.

Apologies if this is seen as slightly derailing the thread but its related.

How willing are you to get involved if you see some angle shooting in hands you're not involved in?

The hand that made me ask this question was from quite a while ago in a 1/1PLH game in stoke. Heads up to the river, (Player A) young guy, obviously pretty inexperienced and not in a position to understand when he's being angled or sure enough of rules to question them bets £18ish on the river. (Player B) Well known regular in the games, plays a bunch both at stoke and other places, knows the rules, knows the dealers and the managers has £22 left in the form of 2 £10 notes and £1 chips. Player B pushes out the 2 £10 notes so that they're halfway across the line with his hand on them. Player A declares 2 pair, Player B says he hasn't called yet and pulls the notes back. The dealer (who probably doesn't know or care enough) just goes along with Player B without questioning it and Player B folds. Player A doesn't question it and ask for a ruling because he's too naive and inexperienced to realise whats just happened. In my opinion, Player B clearly should have been forced to call on the river and I think there is good chance that had someone requested a ruling it would have been ruled a call.

In my mind there is no doubt that Player B new exactly what he was doing and knows the dealers are unlikely to argue with him over this stuff unless forced to question it by other players and that a very inexperienced player isn't going to make a fuss and ask for a ruling as he doesn't understand his rights. In this situation when you're at the table but nothing to do with the hand, do you get involved and try to protect the inexperienced player and call out the blatant angle shooting or do you always stay out of any hand that you're not involved in regardless of scummy antics?

stay out of it at the time but have a quiet word to the guy about protecting his hand / not doing whatever it was that enabled him to be angled.

^^^this. unless of course you feel you can tilt player B and win some money from him in the process  ;)

He sounds like an utter bell end for £18

Think Im pretty happy to call him out as an arse in front of the whole table in this situation

Lol.

For sure. Chances are he is a total bellend so deserves a call out. Hate angle shooters

Yep +1. Sepshly with someone inexperienced, if it was someone very experienced or a pro I'd be less inclined to call out on thier behalf as the "victim" should be more than capable.

I've actually had to do this not too recently and I nearrly started a brawl lol