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Title: Opinions please
Post by: Royal Flush on December 04, 2006, 08:00:18 PM


Full Tilt Poker Game #1352389142: Table Lafaette (6 max) - $2/$4 - Pot Limit Omaha - 14:56:45 ET - 2006/12/04
Seat 1: KeinLoffel224 ($400)
Seat 2: The Norse Horse ($352.70)
Seat 3: Joe Beevers ($390.35)
Seat 4: DOB50N ($782.70)
Seat 5: okyouwin ($3,852.80)
Seat 6: nm_21 ($582.20)
KeinLoffel224 posts the small blind of $2
The Norse Horse posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Norse Horse [6h 9s As 7c]
Joe Beevers calls $4
DOB50N folds
okyouwin calls $4
nm_21 calls $4
KeinLoffel224 folds
The Norse Horse raises to $16
Joe Beevers calls $12
okyouwin calls $12
nm_21 calls $12
*** FLOP *** [5d 5h 7h]
The Norse Horse bets $32
Joe Beevers folds
okyouwin folds
nm_21 calls $32
*** TURN *** [5d 5h 7h] [7s]
The Norse Horse bets $130
nm_21 calls $130
*** RIVER *** [5d 5h 7h 7s] [Kh]
Joe Beevers: cya good luck
The Norse Horse bets $174.70, and is all in
nm_21 has 15 seconds left to act
nm_21 calls $174.70
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Norse Horse shows [6h 9s As 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
nm_21 shows [Kc Qs 5c Qc] (a full house, Fives full of Kings)
nm_21 wins the pot ($736.40) with a full house, Fives full of Kings
The Norse Horse is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $739.40 | Rake $3
Board: [5d 5h 7h 7s Kh]
Seat 1: KeinLoffel224 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: The Norse Horse (big blind) showed [6h 9s As 7c] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 3: Joe Beevers folded on the Flop
Seat 4: DOB50N didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: okyouwin folded on the Flop
Seat 6: nm_21 (button) showed [Kc Qs 5c Qc] and won ($736.40) with a full house, Fives full of Kings


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: booder on December 04, 2006, 08:06:35 PM
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Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: M3boy on December 04, 2006, 10:21:22 PM
OK

Suited Ace, and lots of connections - I dont mind the raise preflop, infact I would probably do the same

On the flop :

Well ok, not the best flop in the world, but why not lead out at as you did.

Once you are called here, you have to think you are possibly behind, and I bet if the 7 does not come on the turn, you are done with the hand

But as the 7 has come on the turn, this is a dream card for you - you now take the lead (barring 55 and 57).

There is always the good possibility you are going to get outdrawn on the river, but with no way of knowing if the guy has hit a FH, I think I would be inclined to check call here - I have made my mind up that I am calling the all in whatever comes on the river, so just let him bet it. He may even bet with just a 5 if he has you on a busted str8 draw.

But I dont think the push is that bad an option though

Just u/l m8 - welcome to my world ;)


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: I KNOW IT on December 05, 2006, 06:08:54 PM
Do you know you have to use 2 cards in omaha flushy?
Just face it you are not very good at omaha, I mean im terrible and you couldnt even beat me ;D


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: Royal Flush on December 05, 2006, 06:33:22 PM
lol.

Ok my thought was i had a good multi way hand but out of position, i decided to build a pot pre flop so if i hit i could bet big on the flop and try to negate my positional disadvantage.

The flop is actually quite good for me, if no-one has a 5 then i am probably going to take it down so i fire a bet out there, i get called i am 95% sure he has a 5 so i am done with the hand.

On the turn i strike lucky, now i bet out strong hoping he continues with his 5.

The river looks to be a really bad card, but i am sure he wasn't on the flush draw, my thinking here is how do i get the money in against his 5, of course he could have a 7 as well but as long as it isn't K5 or K7 (or 75) all is good. If i check i let him of the hook, i thought betting is probably the best option. My thoughts afterwards though were maybe i should just bet about 100.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 05, 2006, 06:35:06 PM
I actually you played it pk except for the suspect pre-flop raise and perhaps an unnecessary bet on the Flop (not enough holdings will fold).  Just unlucky he hit on the River.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 05, 2006, 06:37:49 PM

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Ok my thought was i had a good multi way hand but out of position, i decided to build a pot pre flop so if i hit i could bet big on the flop and try to negate my positional disadvantage.

There's nothing wrong with that, but you missed and still bet. Position is even more important in Omaha and it's not unusual to find a call here, especially with the flush draw on board too.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: I KNOW IT on December 05, 2006, 06:40:50 PM

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Ok my thought was i had a good multi way hand but out of position, i decided to build a pot pre flop so if i hit i could bet big on the flop and try to negate my positional disadvantage.

There's nothing wrong with that, but you missed and still bet. Position is even more important in Omaha and it's not unusual to find a call here, especially with the flush draw on board too.
How long you been playing omaha?
Flushy ,now you. I better start reading up on this game


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: NoflopsHomer on December 05, 2006, 07:47:57 PM
Rolf's book, Jen has told me, is excellent.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: Royal Flush on December 05, 2006, 07:52:28 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called, and even then my 7 might win at showdown.

Craig, a couple of years, although in terms of table time, not a lot.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: I KNOW IT on December 05, 2006, 08:25:46 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called, and even then my 7 might win at showdown.

Craig, a couple of years, although in terms of table time, not a lot.
Not you, snooopster


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 05, 2006, 09:04:13 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called, and even then my 7 might win at showdown.

Craig, a couple of years, although in terms of table time, not a lot.
Not you, snooopster

Craig, I picked up the game about 3 years ago. The title of this thread was 'Opinions Please'. I gave my opinion.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 05, 2006, 09:04:45 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called

Well, he did call, and he didn't have the nut flush draw.  :dontask:


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 05, 2006, 09:08:13 PM
There are plenty of hands he can call with, just look at the tosh he called your pre-flop bet with. Don't just asssume that everyone is a good tight player.

Also, if you do find a call, you're in trouble because of your poor position. Many players can easily bet you off the turn. They may even call the flop with nothing to do so.

IMO, this is an unnecessary move by you.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: I KNOW IT on December 05, 2006, 09:09:54 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called, and even then my 7 might win at showdown.

Craig, a couple of years, although in terms of table time, not a lot.
Not you, snooopster

Craig, I picked up the game about 3 years ago. The title of this thread was 'Opinions Please'. I gave my opinion.
Sorry, I misstook you for that guy who had a sense of humour


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: Royal Flush on December 05, 2006, 09:12:07 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called

Well, he did call, and he didn't have the nut flush draw.  :dontask:

I said earlier he needs a 5, you made the point of a flush draw i thought it was clear that i meant if he has a flush draw it has to be the nfd


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: SupaMonkey on December 05, 2006, 09:17:25 PM
 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 05, 2006, 09:32:24 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called

Well, he did call, and he didn't have the nut flush draw.  :dontask:

I said earlier he needs a 5, you made the point of a flush draw i thought it was clear that i meant if he has a flush draw it has to be the nfd

As well as holding one of the fives and the nut flush draw, I think there are other holdings that the average player will call your flop bet with, especially one who calls a pre-flop raise like yours with such a mediocre hand. And if they're good enough to realise that their hand is weak if they don't have trips or a decent draw, then they might well call to bluff you off the Turn, especially considering that the only strong hand you are representing are Aces or maybe a nut flush draw.

Apart from that, I liked your Turn and River bet, I just think you were unlucky that he hit the house.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 05, 2006, 09:43:02 PM
Snoops unless i run into the nut flush draw i am not being called, and even then my 7 might win at showdown.

Craig, a couple of years, although in terms of table time, not a lot.
Not you, snooopster

Craig, I picked up the game about 3 years ago. The title of this thread was 'Opinions Please'. I gave my opinion.
Sorry, I misstook you for that guy who had a sense of humour

Okay, apologies.


Title: Re: Opinions please
Post by: I KNOW IT on December 05, 2006, 10:24:34 PM
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