(another) is the hand dead

[350z]

I was in a tournament a while ago at a casino, it was only the second time i had played live in a casino and i made a major mistake and had a big chunk of my stack taken from me can you tell me if this was the correct decision. I thought i was on the button, when infact i wasnt on the button because the dealer had not moved the button on and i basically wasnt paying attention, it got folded round to me and i had AJ so i raise as you would on the button, now this is where the prob starts 1st to my left small blind (in my head because i thought i was on the button) small blind folds and then to his left big blind folds so i thought i had won the pot and that was that so i stupidly turned my cards over when infact the big blind was still in obviously because i was on the cut off and not the button, now the big blind instantly says my hand is dead and he wins the pot without even having to show his hand is this true?? and by the way this was a self dealt table so no proper dealer too ask as such, i asked a few of the other guys on the table and they werent sure so i just lost like half my stack like that, so was this the correct decision or not.

[Graham C]

I don't think that is correct, but I may be wrong.  He'll just know what you have now.

Why did you show anyway? Shouldn't give out free info like that imo.

[350z]

not sure why i showed i had a stupid habbit of doing it then when i 1st started playing, i dont do it now after that.

[boldie]

he's right. your hand is dead. An expensive lesson that shows you always have to pay attention.

[350z]

i just found it a strange decision, i would have thought he should still have to make a decision himself he has seen my cards and could decide weather to play or not, not just automatically take half my stack like that.

[I KNOW IT]

The guy was just angle shooting.
This is where common sense has to prevail. If it was deemed accidental it should have been allowed to play out, after the hand you should have been warned with or given  a time penalty . Your hand should not have been killed if it wasnt deliberate.
Even if it is a self dealt game in a casino surely there is some sort of floorperson to hand?

[doubleup]

he's right. your hand is dead. An expensive lesson that shows you always have to pay attention.

Some places have this as a rule some don't - quite a few reputable cardrooms generally don't.  Personally I wouldn't behave as the bb did in this hand.  There are a fair amount of scummy ppl about uk cardrooms imo.

[350z]

The guy was just angle shooting.
This is where common sense has to prevail. If it was deemed accidental it should have been allowed to play out, after the hand you should have been warned with or given  a time penalty . Your hand should not have been killed if it wasnt deliberate.

excatly what i thought after it happened, but at the time with being a new player and only 2nd time in a casino i really didnt know what to do, basically i think he obviously spotted i was a new player and tryed it on and it worked.

[boldie]

he's right. your hand is dead. An expensive lesson that shows you always have to pay attention.

Some places have this as a rule some don't - quite a few reputable cardrooms generally don't.  Personally I wouldn't behave as the bb did in this hand.  There are a fair amount of scummy ppl about uk cardrooms imo.

true that is the way most casinos see it.
..I would be more than happy for the hand to be played out..but unless the flop comes down AJX I'm going to win that hand when I know what your hand is.

I do think that exposing your cards during a hand is a mortal sin IMO though and it should be declared dead. If you don't pay attention that's your own fault.

[WarBwastard]

You said initially the dealer had not moved the button, but you also state it was self-dealt?  If it was self-dealt and you were on the button you would have been dealing.  Did you just forget you hadn't dealt the hand? 

[350z]

no i ment there was a dealer but he was also playing i ment there was no card room dealer.

[doubleup]

You said initially the dealer had not moved the button, but you also state it was self-dealt?  If it was self-dealt and you were on the button you would have been dealing.  Did you just forget you hadn't dealt the hand? 

self dealt in many establishments is players in turn volunteering to deal a few circuits and sitting in the dealers seat.

[MANTIS01]

The general rule is that you can no longer create action e.g. bet and raise...but you CAN call your oppos bets should you desire. Once again this changes from casino to casino. In self dealt tournaments just request a ruling from the TD if you are unsure.

[350z]

You said initially the dealer had not moved the button, but you also state it was self-dealt?  If it was self-dealt and you were on the button you would have been dealing.  Did you just forget you hadn't dealt the hand? 

self dealt in many establishments is players in turn volunteering to deal and sitting in the dealers seat.

no this was 1 player said he would deal so he dealt the entire time.

[doubleup]

You said initially the dealer had not moved the button, but you also state it was self-dealt?  If it was self-dealt and you were on the button you would have been dealing.  Did you just forget you hadn't dealt the hand? 

self dealt in many establishments is players in turn volunteering to deal and sitting in the dealers seat.

no this was 1 player said he would deal.

lol just modified my post as I realised that it was riddled with ambiguity...............