The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[nirvana]

Something remarkable in the YouGov polling from earlier in the week.

These are figures for those in social grade C2DE very broadly the working class

(January numbers in brackets):

CON 43% (35% in January)
LAB 40% (46%)
LD 7% (6%)
UKIP 3% (7%)
GRN 2% (2%)

Seven-point swing to the Tories from Labour since January

some of that will be leavers.

I fit in the Labour party more with every day that passes. No riff raff, just a bunch of us, quite well off, average to deece education whinnying on about things that affect the class that doesn't even vote for us any more :-)

[TightEnd]

Survation:

CON 41 (+1)
LAB 40 (=)
LD 8 (-1)
UKIP 3 (=)
GRN 2 (+1)
SNP 3 (=)

8th-10th May
N=1,585

[TightEnd]

very very good

Marina Hyde

"My bit on the Tories’ week in Brexit"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/11/brexit-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg-house-of-lords?CMP=share_btn_tw

[kukushkin88]

very very good

Marina Hyde

"My bit on the Tories’ week in Brexit"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/11/brexit-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg-house-of-lords?CMP=share_btn_tw

She's basically perfect imo, another great article.

[TightEnd]

How C2DEs voted since 1974:
1974: Lab 53, Con 24
1979: Lab 45, Con 37
1983: Lab 37, Con 37
1987: Lab 42, Con 35
1992: Lab 45, Con 35
1992: Lab 45, Con 35
1997: Lab 55, Con 24
2001: Lab 52, Con 27
2005: Lab 44, Con 29
2010: Lab 35, Con 34
2015: Lab 36, Con 30
2017: Lab 44, Con 42

[TightEnd]

Interesting.

May is in thrall to the ERG and Labour is led by the anti-EU element so big rumps of both parties struggling to do much to change the direction things are taking

[TightEnd]

"Clearer and clearer that the only way for TMay to get a deal is for her to cut Johnson, Fox, Davis & Rees-Mogg loose"

[TightEnd]

very well written

Brexit as Jenga

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/like-a-jenga-tower-brexits-collapse-is-a-question-of-when-not-if

[TightEnd]

Davis/Johnson supporters fear Leave voters would punish a soft Brexit, says https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/brexit-is-fast-becoming-a-tory-no-win/

[TightEnd]

Exclusive: EU set to push for six-month extension to Brexit transition period

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/transition-period-brexit-eu-theresa-may-a8347731.html

[TightEnd]

For Brexit Tories, the hard border is too hard  a question

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/12/brexit-tories-hard-border-too-hard-a-question-ireland-customs-union?CMP=twt_gu

[TightEnd]

Ever since Brexit began, the House of Lords has been rejecting the government’s plans for departure. Can it make the UK stay in the single market?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2018/05/has-house-lords-saved-remainers-dream-staying-single-market

[MintTrav]

£2.5bn approved for new submarines!

We don't have money to pay for social benefits, parks, street-lighting, and so on yet there is always plenty to ladle into the military. People's lives are made difficult so we can splurge on this stuff. Our priorities are upside-down.

[Longines]

If the choice is £2.5Bn on parks or submarines, I'm fairly sure which one will generate more income tax, VAT, jobs and supply chain benefits and it's not the begonias.

[MintTrav]

If the choice is £2.5Bn on parks or submarines, I'm fairly sure which one will generate more income tax, VAT, jobs and supply chain benefits and it's not the begonias.

It was just one example, off the top of my head, of the vast number of areas that have been cut. It’s probably not a good example, as it invites responses diverting the discussion away from the real issue, so please replace it with your own example of government cutback. Having said that, I’m not sure why money spent on parks wouldn’t generate exactly the same income tax, VAT, jobs and supply chain benefits.