Quick Hello and P4C

[the-oneeye]

great that maureen and family are now sorted.

As you know or some of you may know i have been raising money for game4life and on thursday next week the 21st december we are handing over the money we have been raising. £300 pounds will be going to out local childrens hospital to buy the kids that are in hospital on christmas day a little present. also we will be handing over nearly 800 pounds to the greenfields school, that teaches autistic children and children with other mental and learning difficulties and sends them on camping trips. we have got for them a marquee tent for the kids to  eat in during bad weather on thier trips, and a decent lap top. and i say that is 100% of the money we have raised in the past 3 months going direct to the children. By the way tikay we are looking for some celebrity to award our player of the year trophies and stuff, unfotunately we couldnt find one, so if you fancy a trip down to cornwall on thursday 21st please give me a shout

[tikay]

great that maureen and family are now sorted.

As you know or some of you may know i have been raising money for game4life and on thursday next week the 21st december we are handing over the money we have been raising. £300 pounds will be going to out local childrens hospital to buy the kids that are in hospital on christmas day a little present. also we will be handing over nearly 800 pounds to the greenfields school, that teaches autistic children and children with other mental and learning difficulties and sends them on camping trips. we have got for them a marquee tent for the kids to  eat in during bad weather on thier trips, and a decent lap top. and i say that is 100% of the money we have raised in the past 3 months going direct to the children. By the way tikay we are looking for some celebrity to award our player of the year trophies and stuff, unfotunately we couldnt find one, so if you fancy a trip down to cornwall on thursday 21st please give me a shout

I am slightly confused, Sir. Is the money you raised to be given to Game 4 Life, or is it being given direct to the Good Causes? To whom are you handing over the money?

I have also PM'd you.

Congratulations on the fund-raising, whomsoever you give it to.

[the-oneeye]

the money i have raised, i tell game4life about and they have authorised me to make the grants we have. all the grants will be shown of the grants page. Over the last week or so, the negative side of game4life has been shown, and i would like to highlight the positves. Just so people dont lose complete faith

[tikay]

the money i have raised, i tell game4life about and they have authorised me to make the grants we have. all the grants will be shown of the grants page. Over the last week or so, the negative side of game4life has been shown, and i would like to highlight the positves. Just so people dont lose complete faith

I am sorry, but I just don't understand this. I have PM'd you.

[Rooky9]

If figures like what you are talking about (where in effect you are making a donation completely separate to anything from G4L) are included in G4L accounts then that means that the % from their events is even lower than those quoted earlier. If these items are listed on the homepage as you say it appears they might be?

[MPOWER]

If figures like what you are talking about (where in effect you are making a donation completely separate to anything from G4L) are included in G4L accounts then that means that the % from their events is even lower than those quoted earlier. If these items are listed on the homepage as you say it appears they might be?

Yep

Regards

M

[the-oneeye]

How can you turn a positive into a negative. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that maybe the future of the poker tournaments p4c oranise would be to have smaller local ones where the outlay is nothing. Well this has been happening for 6 months in fact, with the cosmo club idea. We raise money for game4life, granted not much, a little over 2k in that period all of which does go directly to game4life, and through their books. So there money we have raised for the last couple of months is the money that is being donated. I live in cornwall and have identified on behalf, of game4life on daveys word, worthwhile causes and will be making the awards thursday. How can 100% of the money we have made going direct to children make the charities figures worse, or am i stupid.
They arent listed on the grants page yet but will be when we have made the award, and taken photos. But then whatever anyone said on this thread in defence of game4life or poker4charity is gonna be shot down, so i really dont know why i bother.

[thetank]

2k is a lot of money raised, that's good work you've been doing down there.

Maybe you'd be better running independantly from G4L, time will tell.

[littlemissC]

well done on the money raised.my son is autistic and its nice to see people raising money for a specialist school.
i have not commented on this thread and will not voice my opinions,but i will say dont let situations like this thread make you feel weary about donating to worthy charities.

[Rooky9]

How can you turn a positive into a negative. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that maybe the future of the poker tournaments p4c oranise would be to have smaller local ones where the outlay is nothing. Well this has been happening for 6 months in fact, with the cosmo club idea. We raise money for game4life, granted not much, a little over 2k in that period all of which does go directly to game4life, and through their books. So there money we have raised for the last couple of months is the money that is being donated. I live in cornwall and have identified on behalf, of game4life on daveys word, worthwhile causes and will be making the awards thursday. How can 100% of the money we have made going direct to children make the charities figures worse, or am i stupid.
They arent listed on the grants page yet but will be when we have made the award, and taken photos. But then whatever anyone said on this thread in defence of game4life or poker4charity is gonna be shot down, so i really dont know why i bother.

I'm not taking naything away from your work - I think you have done brilliantly.

In your earlier post it seemed to me that you were saying your grants have been acknowledged on the G4L site. What I was saying is that if you are giving 100% of money raised then to reach the G4L average that was given to tikay the other events would actually be operating below that figure. Hope that makes some kind of sense.

Best of luck

[boldie]

How can you turn a positive into a negative. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that maybe the future of the poker tournaments p4c oranise would be to have smaller local ones where the outlay is nothing. Well this has been happening for 6 months in fact, with the cosmo club idea. We raise money for game4life, granted not much, a little over 2k in that period all of which does go directly to game4life, and through their books. So there money we have raised for the last couple of months is the money that is being donated. I live in cornwall and have identified on behalf, of game4life on daveys word, worthwhile causes and will be making the awards thursday. How can 100% of the money we have made going direct to children make the charities figures worse, or am i stupid.
They arent listed on the grants page yet but will be when we have made the award, and taken photos. But then whatever anyone said on this thread in defence of game4life or poker4charity is gonna be shot down, so i really dont know why i bother.

I'm not taking naything away from your work - I think you have done brilliantly.

In your earlier post it seemed to me that you were saying your grants have been acknowledged on the G4L site. What I was saying is that if you are giving 100% of money raised then to reach the G4L average that was given to tikay the other events would actually be operating below that figure. Hope that makes some kind of sense.

Best of luck

I have been keeping rather quiet in this thread...actually haven't posted a thing but am a bit surprised at how this was/ is all being run.

I read first that only 30% of all money raised actually went to the cause it was raised for (IMO this was already far too little) and I agree with a previous poster that; Although the people who run P4C will undoubtebly have the best of intentions, if you can't give more then 30% of a fairly small amount you probably shouldn't be running a charity or atleast need to reconsider your strategy

If I then read that someone has raised 2k and gives it all to the actual cause but has that go through P4C/ G4L's books I can't help but think something is very wrong in the set-up of G4L and P4C no matter how well-intentioned it is.

To theoneeye well done on raising money for very worthy causes and giving it directly to the cause. I would however consider not doing it through anyone else's books, especially if week by week the books look the way they do in this case.


I have to say this whole saga is exactly why I scrutinise which charities I give to in addition to my usual one and if I were to come across a charity who's numbers and %'s are as P4C/G4L's appear to be I would never consider giving my money to that particular charity as I personally would consider it to be a waste of money.

[the-oneeye]

 the 1k that we are giving away on thusday hasnt gone through the books yet cause we havent donated it till thursday, so if 100% of it has gone directly to the children then at the worse it will increase this years percentage by 3% so this years will then be 33% .May not be much on statistics but its an increase. The reason why we dont do this on our own is i truely believe in what Ange and davey are doing and with the right support then the ratio of money going to the good causes will increase. Lets be honest when u start a business u dont truely beleive that you will beleive u will be making 100% profit in the first year. and with game4life it has taken investment in time and money to start it up. Im petty sure they now have a great foundation and setup and the future looks good for the charity, with the right support. I say start this post up this time next year and there will be a dramatic improvement.... but then i am an optimist

[ariston]

you wouldn't expect 100% profit in the first year no but then again when runnning a chartiy you shouldn't expect any profit. Also this doesn't happen to be P4C's first year.  You are someone who should be commended as you have raised a lot of money and have given 100% of it away to good causes, if P4C was anywhere close to 100% this thread wouldn't still be going and certainly wouldn't have got so big. Running at a figure of 30%  is just not viable for a charity.

[thetank]

In the following scenario.....

Corporations donate prizes (ie, a buy-in to a big event), and poker tournaments are run to win these prizes.

Players are getting full value for their buy-in, as if they were playing a satelite.

Then the organisation running everything could get away with a figure like 70% administartion costs.

The prize donater gets publicity, the people get full value for their poker money spent, and good causes get a little bit (30%) too. Everyone is a winner.


This wasn't the case with P4C, half the buy-ins went to the prize pool, half the buy-ins went to charity. In effect, every time you have a £10 buy-in, you are making a £5 donation. They also make money by individual donations too, like when someone does a sponsored wot-not. Money donated in this manner should be able to get to good causes without someone taking a 70% bite out of it. Voluntry trustees can pass on donations with no or almost no expenses.

[satcom]

i is clear to me from reading all of this thread...that most of us care deeply about giving money to good causes...so here is a simple suggestion....set up a blonde committe of say 3 people....open a bank account....and get each member of blonde to pay £1 a month into that account..then say every couple of months the committe nominate 3 good causes to dontate mony to and ask blondes to vote on where the money should go to....there would be very little overheads....which would ensure a high percentage of money to charity...this i think would work well....

i am sure everyone on blonde can spare £1a month...and the money would be going to charites close to blondes hearts