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PokerStars Game #46815290153: Tournament #291995408, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/07/15 20:43:24 UTC [2010/07/15 16:43:24 ET]
Table '291995408 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Warningstein (1860 in chips)
Seat 3: laTerxd (3855 in chips)
Seat 5: Cactusmuffin (1260 in chips)
Seat 6: depowly (1135 in chips)
Seat 8: outragous76 (2137 in chips)
Seat 9: KKmurdock_hd (3253 in chips)
Cactusmuffin: posts small blind 100
depowly: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [Jd Js]
outragous76: raises 300 to 500
KKmurdock_hd: raises 2753 to 3253 and is all-in
Warningstein: folds
laTerxd: folds
Cactusmuffin: calls 1160 and is all-in
depowly: folds
outragous76: >?

sick level

fold obv

Would just ship it in pre with your stack, now I would call.

cant see me folding but would have jammed pre

no need to reply jam pre  -  i know - but i didnt and still have a stack with FE if i let it go........................ so I?

You call and its not at all close. 6 handed with a 10BB stack in a $6 SNG, I aint folding jacks.

Theres still a side pot too remember if the shorty has you crushed

Fold. The clue is in his name.

Call, hit a set and be done with it.

The sidepot makes me call here more than anything.

Must shove pre

Call now

yes.

in the interest of a slightly more helpful response than last time, i crunched some figurrrrrres. (gd old maths :) )

so ur calling 1737 to win 3597 which is pretty much bang on 2-1 so you need roughly 30% equity vs both ranges (assuming they both have the same chips.)
vs opponent 1 who is shoving 15bbs lets assume this as his range
55+,A2s+,KJs+,QJs,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,ATo+,KJo+  (this is educated guess work but roughly top 15/16% of hands)
and villian #2 will be much wider as he only has 6bigs plus the chance that you fold creates some overlay for him so lets assume his range as
22+,A2s+,K6s+,Q9s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,54s,A5o+,KJo+,QJo,JTo,T9o

  75,868,492,392  games   122.333 secs   620,180,101  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    48.373%     47.89%    00.48%       36336898592    363284498.67   { JcJd }
Hand 1:    28.346%     27.52%    00.82%       20881589168    623875997.67   { 55+, A2s+, KJs+, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, ATo+, KJo+ }
Hand 2:    23.281%     22.55%    00.73%       17111385198    551458937.67   { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q9s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, A5o+, KJo+, QJo, JTo, T9o }

now il redily admit not being a SNG fish, but even if you tighten up both guys ranges ul still easy have enough equity to call...obv its high varience but you wont get many better spots in a SNG to have loads of chips IMO

As has been mentioned the side pot of 1850ish vs villain #1 where you have

316,776,240  games     0.372 secs   851,549,032  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    63.785%     63.24%    00.54%         200343424      1711636.00   { JcJd }
Hand 1:    36.215%     35.67%    00.54%         113009544      1711636.00   { 55+, A2s+, KJs+, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, ATo+, KJo+ }


man i love pokerstove.

Without any history you need to tighten those ranges up hugely.

Even if you manage to tighten them up enough to make the maths say fold it's still a call though.

Range for Hand 2 is QQ+ and AK

range for hand 1 - 99+ AQ+


not that the results really matter, but I folded, villain1 had AK and villain 2 had QQ

Fold, one of them has QQ.

im a SNG fish il admit. but hand #1 range is far wider it has to be, you open 2.5x leaving the appearance of some FE, so surely even if you fold only 10/15% of the time #1 can profitably jam 66/77/KTs etc. plus to assume he doesnt shove TT for value is flawed Im sure? as for #2 with you seemingly adding overlay surely he call off far wider knowing that #1 os shoving a range with percieved FE and there is added value if you fold? i.e he'll flick it in with 78s etc? am i wrong?

like evilpie says tho even if you have 20-25% equity vs both ranges you still should call from ICM angle? I dont know that at all its kinda of guess can someone tell me if thats right!?!?!


Its a cool spot to post tho OP because i reckon a ton of infrequent SNG guys make errors in these spots? Im sure if I was here Id call it off FAR too wide as we have seen lol

fk me.. just limp fold pre next time!


fwiw, shove pre, but now call. and as daniel mfking morgan said, its not close

[  ] Range for hand two is QQ+ and AK. He has 6bbs.

yeah but why get it in with less against 2 villains when he can just shove atc next hand/orbit

whats your range as villain 2? - assuming you know the donk initial raiser isnt folding?

yeah but he's always shoving 77+ aj+ a9s+ imo.

DEFO, wider still imo because your gonna fold a % and now he has overlay can flick it in with any decent equity hand 67s etc because first shover is defo wide aswell

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