Title: 64 years on Post by: kinboshi on August 04, 2009, 03:46:26 PM http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/08/04?FORM=ZZNR8
Lest we forget. Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 05:01:44 PM ended the war didnt it, 200 million people wouldve died if they hadnt done that
Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: kinboshi on August 04, 2009, 05:10:12 PM ended the war didnt it, 200 million people wouldve died if they hadnt done that The humanitarian argument is interesting, but highly flawed imo. Revisionist history is often used in attempt to justify atrocities carried out during wars. Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 05:15:23 PM ended the war didnt it, 200 million people wouldve died if they hadnt done that The humanitarian argument is interesting, but highly flawed imo. Revisionist history is often used in attempt to justify atrocities carried out during wars. like the ethical question of a vegertairian eating a chicken if it would save another chickens life? Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2009, 05:25:59 PM ended the war didnt it, 200 million people wouldve died if they hadnt done that Yeah so those 80,000 + the 100,00's that dies following where better people to die than any other. Typical from you Bolt Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 05:34:17 PM ended the war didnt it, 200 million people wouldve died if they hadnt done that Yeah so those 80,000 + the 100,00's that dies following where better people to die than any other. Typical from you Bolt you're missing the big picture. 200 million more mighve died if it hadnt of happend, i'm not justifying it but based on the numbers it seems more reasonable. of course i'd prefer no deaths but it's a world war so there might be a bit of violence and stuff. If it hadnt of happend hitler mightve come back to life re-enthused for one last effort and we'd all be speaking german(well not you guys, hitler was a lot of things but i cant imagine him rubbing his one remaining bollock in anticipation of taking over scotland) Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: Scottish Dave on August 04, 2009, 05:36:38 PM ended the war didnt it, 200 million people wouldve died if they hadnt done that Yeah so those 80,000 + the 100,00's that dies following where better people to die than any other. Typical from you Bolt you're missing the big picture. 200 million more mighve died if it hadnt of happend, i'm not justifying it but based on the numbers it seems more reasonable. of course i'd prefer no deaths but it's a world war so there might be a bit of violence and stuff. If it hadnt of happend hitler mightve come back to life re-enthused for one last effort and we'd all be speaking german(well not you guys, hitler was a lot of things but i cant imagine him rubbing his one remaining bollock in anticipation of taking over scotland) I understand your arguement, i just couldn't see 200,000 die to save 200Million as a 'Pro' point No-one knows what would have happened otherwise Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: Colchester Kev on August 04, 2009, 05:38:11 PM hitler was a lot of things but i cant imagine him rubbing his one remaining bollock in anticipation of taking over scotland Apologies to all the Scottish blondes ... But that line actually made me laugh out loud and carry on for a good couple of minutes. I might print that quote on a T-Shirt and present it to you at a blonde bash bolty !! Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 05:39:57 PM ended the war didnt it, 200 million people wouldve died if they hadnt done that Yeah so those 80,000 + the 100,00's that dies following where better people to die than any other. Typical from you Bolt you're missing the big picture. 200 million more mighve died if it hadnt of happend, i'm not justifying it but based on the numbers it seems more reasonable. of course i'd prefer no deaths but it's a world war so there might be a bit of violence and stuff. If it hadnt of happend hitler mightve come back to life re-enthused for one last effort and we'd all be speaking german(well not you guys, hitler was a lot of things but i cant imagine him rubbing his one remaining bollock in anticipation of taking over scotland) I understand your arguement, i just couldn't see 200,000 die to save 200Million as a 'Pro' point No-one knows what would have happened otherwise I'm not going to pretend to know what wouldve happend, i'm not that informed on the subject. just trying to look at a potential positive insight into what happend based on arguments ive heard made by historians and war scholars. It was a terrible thing but they didnt just say: "fck it lets nuke someone today" Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: Longy on August 04, 2009, 05:41:44 PM hitler was a lot of things but i cant imagine him rubbing his one remaining bollock in anticipation of taking over scotland Apologies to all the Scottish blondes ... But that line actually made me laugh out loud and carry on for a good couple of minutes. I might print that quote on a T-Shirt and present it to you at a blonde bash bolty !! +1, funniest thing i have read in a while. Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: TightEnd on August 04, 2009, 05:54:50 PM for those of you interested in ww2 history, may I recommend "Who do you think you are" on Iplayer..the Kate Humble one
fascinating stuff about her grandfathers..one a POW in Stalag 3, the other a RAF test pilot Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: gatso on August 04, 2009, 05:56:13 PM for those of you interested in ww2 history, may I recommend "Who do you think you are" on Iplayer..the Kate Humble one fascinating stuff about her grandfathers..one a POW in Stalag 3, the other a RAF test pilot fk iplayer. it's on bbc2 in an hour Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 05:56:49 PM for those of you interested in ww2 history, may I recommend "Who do you think you are" on Iplayer..the Kate Humble one fascinating stuff about her grandfathers..one a POW in Stalag 3, the other a RAF test pilot fk iplayer. it's on bbc2 in an hour lol is it? Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: TightEnd on August 04, 2009, 05:58:04 PM for those of you interested in ww2 history, may I recommend "Who do you think you are" on Iplayer..the Kate Humble one fascinating stuff about her grandfathers..one a POW in Stalag 3, the other a RAF test pilot fk iplayer. it's on bbc2 in an hour ok, well worth a watch. Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: Colchester Kev on August 04, 2009, 05:59:47 PM for those of you interested in ww2 history, may I recommend "Who do you think you are" on Iplayer..the Kate Humble one One of the very few TV progs I watch ... was a good episode that one... She cried a bit too much imo ... and I am not having the fact that she new fk all about both grandfathers. impossible for those stories not to be well documented in the family, as its only 1 generation away.fascinating stuff about her grandfathers..one a POW in Stalag 3, the other a RAF test pilot Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: gatso on August 04, 2009, 06:01:07 PM for those of you interested in ww2 history, may I recommend "Who do you think you are" on Iplayer..the Kate Humble one fascinating stuff about her grandfathers..one a POW in Stalag 3, the other a RAF test pilot fk iplayer. it's on bbc2 in an hour ok, well worth a watch. about a minute before your post I had a look at tonight's tv and decided against it as I have no idea who kate humble is but might watch now you've said it's good Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: TightEnd on August 04, 2009, 06:02:43 PM second half especially, the POW stuff. Fascinating.
Really good telly that series Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: tikay on August 04, 2009, 06:02:58 PM http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/08/04?FORM=ZZNR8 Lest we forget. We could never forget. I must have read 20 or more books on that dreadful Event, & I always end up near to tears. Over 100,000 civilians, with a normal quotient of young children amongst them, died a dreadful death. The arguments about "it saved lives" don't intrerest me one iota, be they right or wrong. I just know that innocent Civilians were the weapons used to end it. Had it been all the Politicians that caused the war got themselves nuked, that would be something to rejoice in, but it was not. As always, innocent Civilians, & in most cases, their deaths were unimaginably hideous. But even despite all that, bolty had me in stitches with his Scottish gag. I'm doing my best not to laugh...... Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: nirvana on August 04, 2009, 06:11:58 PM hitler was a lot of things but i cant imagine him rubbing his one remaining bollock in anticipation of taking over scotland Apologies to all the Scottish blondes ... But that line actually made me laugh out loud and carry on for a good couple of minutes. I might print that quote on a T-Shirt and present it to you at a blonde bash bolty !! my dad's a scot, so i'm half a wee shite, but still found that very funny indeed :-) Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: kinboshi on August 04, 2009, 06:25:39 PM http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/08/04?FORM=ZZNR8 Lest we forget. We could never forget. I must have read 20 or more books on that dreadful Event, & I always end up near to tears. Over 100,000 civilians, with a normal quotient of young children amongst them, died a dreadful death. The arguments about "it saved lives" don't intrerest me one iota, be they right or wrong. I just know that innocent Civilians were the weapons used to end it. Had it been all the Politicians that caused the war got themselves nuked, that would be something to rejoice in, but it was not. As always, innocent Civilians, & in most cases, their deaths were unimaginably hideous. The thing is, the deaths were avoidable - the bombing of Hiroshima and then Nagasaki 3 days later didn't 'save lives'. The Allied forces (mainly the Americans, but also their 51st state as well) knew that the war against Japan could be brought to an end without the need to use nuclear weapons. The bombs weren't dropped to end the war, and there's a reason Japan was chosen as the 'recipient' (years before the bombs were actually used). Quote But even despite all that, bolty had me in stitches with his Scottish gag. I'm doing my best not to laugh...... [ ] I didn't laugh. Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 07:02:16 PM oh ffs it's that bird, she's clueless.
Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 07:04:54 PM lol. "i told mum i was coming and dad thought it would be a good idea if we met up in the pub"
translation: "our nuisance daughter is turning up so i'm getting pissed". Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: gatso on August 04, 2009, 07:05:21 PM oh ffs it's that bird, she's clueless. I still don't know who she is so I'm going to assume she's off big brother as that's where most famous people I don't know are from Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: DUNK619 on August 04, 2009, 07:07:09 PM she does springwatch
Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 07:14:38 PM she's very patronizing, it's like she's being enthusiastic for the sake of securing her next job.
not surprised to hear kev mention the crying, she has to cry to get another 6 month t.v contract, documentary t.v just doesnt work without some shallow idiot breaking down for the most nonsensical reasons Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: bolt pp on August 04, 2009, 07:18:19 PM It's such a shame because theres actually a story here, a potentiayl really good program about a guy and his experiance in the war.
she's fucking it all up, whats she got to do with anything, they wouldnt make this program if she didnt like wildlife and no one would know about the bloke. seriously who gives a shit what she thinks. Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: gatso on August 04, 2009, 07:22:08 PM yeah, what bolt said. I'd like to watch a prog about the test pilot guy, has potential to be really interesting, but will probs turn this off in a minute as it's utterly pointless
Title: Re: 64 years on Post by: Robert HM on August 04, 2009, 07:51:28 PM http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorism
S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear) hmmm, discuss, nicely |