Confusing part for me is how referendum would allow us to vote for Leave with a deal

Just don’t get it

The deal is negotiated between two parties independently thereafter. If the mandate is ‘with a deal’ you give license to the one party to say there’s yer deal take it or leave it. Surely the only viable option is Leave or Remain and what happens after that simply happens

A lot of old folk voted for Brexit. Retired or part time job in B&Q types. Suggest this affects average pay stats rather than stupid people who don’t earn much.

If we look to assign complacency it falls firmly into the remain camp

Very few leavers cast their vote with economics and affluence in mind. It was a principle lead decision. Personally I objected to the growing federalism and encroachment of EU into a variety of areas without due democratic process. It was growing and changing far beyond the original agreement. Even now I decide to be economically poorer to continue that principled objection. Funny that remain respect the principles of the EU over those of their fellow citizens.

But anyhows it’s the remainers who now raise economic argument with such gusto that are guilty of complacency. Not that I think it wudda made much difference...other than to remove the now incessant argument leavers were clueless or complacent

I just voted Leave as per the question and the available options

Simply assumed business would take care of itself, still think that

It's the fault of how the referendum question was put. It allowed hundreds of different versions of Brexit to coalesce into one "leave" box.

I don't believe the majority of leave voters wanted no deal when they voted.

However to deny that option if that is all there is left (now) obviously causes much consternation of ignoring direct democracy from those who want their vote respected etc

It's a mess.

It really wasn’t the fault of how the referendum question was put. It’s that conviction causing much problem here.

People were deeply dissatisfied with a broad range of principles this island nation isn’t aligned with. Those concerns would’ve been drawn together under any question. Personally I must’ve missed the Leave with a Deal box on the ballot, it just said Leave, that’s the mandate, not your guess at the mandate.

For sure we have the economic argument to remain but perhaps there’s hope because we enter a struggling world bargaining with attractive trade figures

The other option is to force remain, flick V’s at democracy, not guarantee economic prosperity but ensure for certain all those original concerns remain unsolved, all that dissatisfaction remains. So in fact less hope, less control, plus economic stagnation, oh and plus JCorbs in the saddle. I guarantee nobody voted for any of that.

the general polling message is an enduring Brexit dilemma - Remain is the plurality winner while Leave with a deal is (arguably) closest to the median voter. What a mess.

This is the problem

Sorry mate I don’t understand how Remain is the plurality winner. I read that Leave is the plurality winner in the poll you posted.

We could just as easily slice up that Remain vote with caveats by asking Remain without significant reform or Remain with reform

We know EU won’t offer significant reform ergo all those votes would be leave too

Yea and after all the horror stories and clear site of hardships, people really are much more enlightened than pre-referendum

The majority of people who expressed an opinion still want to leave EU

Gotta ask wtf those wanting to revoke/remain are thinking

UK trade is a lucrative prize

Trying to show that business will not find ways to secure lucrative prizes is as kuku says ‘unhelpful’

Supply and demand tells us that if not US then elsewhere but probably EU at the final hour

The cause of much economic challenge is the lack of collaborative effort

My view is that UK trade is a significant prize and EU have allowed other agendas to cloud pursuit of pure collaboration. They have wanted to create a level of hardship and economic consequences are thus inevitable

Two advantages of Brexit are a) we can take our lucrative trade and deal with countries from a fresh page where collaboration is more pure, no messages to send or lessons to be taught b) we ourselves will need to be more collaborative, less division, less hostility, work for common good

Not good news for anybody for sure...

But our declining economic performance in Q2 was associated with Brexit

German economic performance is similar but rather than leaving EU is the major player in EU

Ireland will have an economic disaster being part of EU

US economic decline, not an EU member

Italian economic decline, member of EU

Greek economic meltdown, member of EU

Spanish unemployment crisis, member of EU

Just worth noting that economic performance isn’t closely entrenched with EU membership. Countries inside and outside are mostly facing challenges.

Just had a quick breeze through The Telegraph & The Express and just awash with relevant/positive news that Tighty & the gang must've missed...

German GDP shrinks in 2nd quarter & heading for recession, European stocks tumble, global economic slowdown...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/14/markets-live-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100-germany-recession/

ComRes Poll shows the public support No Deal by asking the question ‘Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it’ In favour 44% Against 37% A similar poll conducted by The Express had 90% in favour

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/12/boris-johnson-has-publics-support-shut-parliament-get-brexit/

EU waking up to the fact that they're going to lose UK to new US market for half a century thanks to their disciplinary approach

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/14/europe-risks-losing-uk-americans-half-century-unless-changes/

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1165365/brexit-no-deal-donald-trump-european-union-fear

Amber Rudd talks about the UK jobs boom and the readiness of our economy to face global challenges

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/13/jobs-boom-means-british-economy-ready-anything/

No Deal Brexit would provide the perfect opportunity to buy a house

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-banking/mortgages/no-deal-brexit-will-affect-uk-house-prices-could-create-perfect/

I was wrong

Thought we harmed ourselves a lot with the Iraq war. That cost us £8b. Throw in Afghanistan and it’s £20b. £1b pffft.

Well done to BB. Just as well they are doing well overseas. Very well established well run company

As you imply the UK Construction outlook has some problems

28% of London construction workers migrate from EU countries. migrant workers will be stripped of their right to free movement and, subsequently, their automatic right to work in the UK.

With the supply of labour likely to be unable to meet its demand, it’s very likely there will be a knock-on effect, with house builders unable to meet government housing targets. Consequently, this would see a rise in house prices and project costs.

DB&I says that almost two thirds of building materials are imported from Europe, limits on quantities of imported materials post-Brexit could be disastrous for the construction industry

The UK currently benefits from €7.8bn worth of investments in major infrastructure projects from the European Investment Bank and the European Investment Fund. In addition to this, these institutions lend over €500m to British SMEs every year.

Well researched, however, its not always as black and white as it seems, and we are a resourceful lot.

The Aberdeen ring road, for instance was at  first to completed by using materials from abroad, but in the end, to keep costs down, local granite was used(not the usual materials used in such projects, but it was found to be an able substitute and a lot cheaper by sourcing closer to home).

I'm not sure what the saying is off the top of my head, but in hard times, solutions are found by resourceful people....we are without doubt a resourceful nation

Great news that BB are finding a way to continue be successful. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on ourselves is an extraordinary situation.

Great news that EU are finding a way to continue to uphold their principles. To knowingly/willingly inflict hard times on themselves, particularly the Irish, is an extraordinary situation

I don't disagree. I would have voted the WA through, and if Parliament had done so we'd be out now

the fault for that lies with the hard leavers (i would argue, primarily) and the hard remainers in parliament plus the Labour party voting not along national interest but party lines (we want an election).

we are where we are now, and i would take anything over no deal.

I would prefer to honour the referendum result and leave in an ideal world (but we are about as far from an ideal world as Ikea with kids on a sunday afternoon), but not if its no deal.

I would prefer revoke to that

For sure it’s been a frustrating process for you and fellow Remain supporters

But check out that phrase “I would take anything over no deal”

Rewind to 3yrs ago as we enter negotiations for a smooth Brexit me & fellow Leave supporters said our leverage would evaporate with the division. EU knew this. Boris playing a stone cold bluff is the only card left and still it continues. How frustrating. Now your only card is undermining democracy.