Can he have anything?

[Royal Flush]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7018271511: Table dmandon (6 max) - $3/$6 - $240 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 13:15:42 ET - 2008/06/29
Seat 1: trackyou ($690.50)
Seat 2: MacMcNiggs ($738)
Seat 4: The Norse Horse ($886.75)
Seat 5: tiltingDONK ($1,406.25)
Seat 6: anna59 ($493)
tiltingDONK posts the small blind of $3
anna59 posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Norse Horse [X X X X]
trackyou raises to $21
MacMcNiggs folds
The Norse Horse calls $21
tiltingDONK folds
anna59 folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
trackyou has 15 seconds left to act
trackyou checks
The Norse Horse checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
trackyou checks
The Norse Horse checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
trackyou bets $51
The Norse Horse has 15 seconds left to act

[doubleup]

Can you have anything?

[boldie]

doesn't seem like it..smells like an overpair to me..might have hit his back door FD but that's it..If i had a set I might call this.

[Royal Flush]

Can you have anything?

45 or a flush?

[Claw75]

OK - I don't play much omaha full stop - rarely cash and certainly not at these levels, so my thoughts are probably a load of bollox.  I'm going to post them anyway because I'd like to learn to play the game better - feel free to shoot me down!!  I'd lean towards being a non-believer here - if he's hit a straight or flush I'd have expected him to bet his draws.  Likewise I'd expect him to bet a set and probably two pair on the turn once the heart draw is there.  I can't imagine the has helped him unless he's hit a baby flush, though I'm thinking that's less likely given the pre-flop raise.  Over pair maybe?

[booder]

any previous with villian?

[Royal Flush]

any previous with villian?

None been playing about 5 minutes, tiltingdonk was the only guy i had a line with.

OK - I don't play much omaha full stop - rarely cash and certainly not at these levels, so my thoughts are probably a load of bollox.  I'm going to post them anyway because I'd like to learn to play the game better - feel free to shoot me down!!  I'd lean towards being a non-believer here - if he's hit a straight or flush I'd have expected him to bet his draws.  Likewise I'd expect him to bet a set and probably two pair on the turn once the heart draw is there.  I can't imagine the has helped him unless he's hit a baby flush, though I'm thinking that's less likely given the pre-flop raise.  Over pair maybe?

Exactly my thinking Claire, although i think he prob checks to win with an overpair, a baby flush probably doesn't be the pot as well was my other thought.

[booder]

is it possible he has AKQX  OR    AKJX  type hand and has backed into  J or Q high flush ?



and why are you not betting flop or turn ?

[Royal Flush]

I didn't bet the flop because i feared a CR, i didn't bet the turn because i thought i might have the best hand and if not a lot of outs to improve.

I called his river bet as it made no sense to me with

He tabled   and was not too happy with me....

[mondatoo]

Lucky call

[doubleup]

I didn't bet the flop because i feared a CR, i didn't bet the turn because i thought i might have the best hand and if not a lot of outs to improve.

I called his river bet as it made no sense to me with

He tabled   and was not too happy with me....

oh - I thought you were going to raise and get him to fold.  I think its acceptable to doctor hand histories for entertainment purposes if it doesn't affect the outcome.

[Royal Flush]

I didn't bet the flop because i feared a CR, i didn't bet the turn because i thought i might have the best hand and if not a lot of outs to improve.

I called his river bet as it made no sense to me with

He tabled   and was not too happy with me....

oh - I thought you were going to raise and get him to fold.  I think its acceptable to doctor hand histories for entertainment purposes if it doesn't affect the outcome.

lol its legit, if he bets less than pot i fold but it just couldnt be anything but a bluff or the nuts i thought and its rarely the nuts

[Nem]

Lucky call

[EvilPie]

What do you think long term EV is with calls like this?

I make them quite often because I never believe a pot bet on the river following this action. I often find that I was right to think he's bluffing but he's got the seven or something equally as sickening. The read was right but the outcome went wrong if you know what I mean.

I can understand that it's not worth raising because he's either got nothing or the nuts but nothing could easily be a pair at omaha.

Middle pair just seems very risky and I just wonder how it works out long term.

[Royal Flush]

What do you think long term EV is with calls like this?

I make them quite often because I never believe a pot bet on the river following this action. I often find that I was right to think he's bluffing but he's got the seven or something equally as sickening. The read was right but the outcome went wrong if you know what I mean.

I can understand that it's not worth raising because he's either got nothing or the nuts but nothing could easily be a pair at omaha.

Middle pair just seems very risky and I just wonder how it works out long term.

That was my worry, what if he is bluffing with a 7, i think i this hand that's unlikely i have checked twice i pretty much never have anything by then so he checks behind. I don't make a habbit of calling with 3rd pair in PLO, lol

If i had air as well i might well min raise here but obviously then i am getting evens as opposed to 2-1 which is far less attractive!