CHANGES TO DTD

[TheChipPrince]

Hi,  does anyone know if the omaha/holdem game is still on tonight? tnx.

Give the club a ring, very helpful.  Number is on their website - www.dtdpoker.com

[Colchester Kev]

Only ever cashed in one DTD event .... that was the £20 rebuy

I only ever played 2 though

[bazzabhoy]

we went to DTD for the blonde bash and were more than impressed with all aspects of the club.  so for me the worry is that the club is now going to close at 3.30?
this i think is a VERY big mistake.  will this not lead to the old "crapshoots" and no time for people to enjoy the cash games after the tournament.  while i understand the principal of cutting down,making it 50 hours a week till 5.30 might be better in the long run.

[Woodsey]

we went to DTD for the blonde bash and were more than impressed with all aspects of the club.  so for me the worry is that the club is now going to close at 3.30?
this i think is a VERY big mistake.  will this not lead to the old "crapshoots" and no time for people to enjoy the cash games after the tournament.  while i understand the principal of cutting down,making it 50 hours a week till 5.30 might be better in the long run.

Tourneys are always finished by 3.30am anyway. I didn't notice the closing time change actually, I think I'd prefer it to be open a touch later on a friday and Sat for sure aswell, even and hour or so later would be better. Having said that there is never really more than 20 players left in after 5 am at weekends anyway.

[Karabiner]

The thing to remember is that nothing is set in stone. Eight months on and still fine-tuning.

If Rob and the crew see staying open longer as a benefit to the DTD experience, then I am sure that it will happen.

[Royal Flush]

I love rebuys and don't get all the "there is no skill in it" nonsense. Given the choice between a 50£ freezeout or a tenner rebuy the rebuy wins every time for me.

The players who frequent DTD voted with their feet.

£50 freezeouts get up to 150+ runners, £30R/£50LR/£100R were struggling to get over 30/40.

Is that not more to do with the amount of the buy-in rather than whether rebuy/freezeout?  For someone who has a budget of £50 per week/month whatever for poker, those rebuys are all prohibitive.  I'll bet a £10 rebuy would easily make 150+

QFT

[George2Loose]

I run so bad..... Have Tuesday 5th off work (my birthday) and was going to give the scalp tourney a spin for the first time knowing I didn't have to get up for work in the morning.

Now I have to find some dump to play at where the dealers have no clue, there's no antes, the chips aren't as beautiful, the cash games are self dealt and the breaks are 30 mins instead of 10

gg life.

[action man]

Only ever cashed in one DTD event .... that was the £20 rebuy

I only ever played 2 though

whats that got to do with owt you chirping one bullet fish x

[robyong]

Hi,

I have been to the club tonight (the last Tuesday we will open!) and spoke to a lot of people, we had 62 runners for the comp plus another 48 people come for cash games/drinks etc, I have also read the posts on this thread, so I thought it would be approriate to reply, so here goes:

1. Opening Days -  these are set in stone, these extra 2 days will really allow us to plan and organise DTD a lot better, the quality of service has dipped below what I consider to be acceptable even though we still get plenty of compliments, myself and Nick have "other jobs" as well as DTD and the strain on the other members of the management team of supporting a 7 day operation + planning 3rd party events + planning festivals  has been way too much. I do not want to recruit more people into the management team as this will dilute the passion, In 2009 we will have 12 3rd party events, 12 321's weekends and 4 DTD festivals, we need those extra 2 days to get things right. Also, when we were open 4 days we would use the other 3 days to train the staff, the 7 day schedule has made this impossible. Maggie and Yogi both did over 80 hours last week - thats is too much to be effective and happy working at DTD.

2. Opening/Closing Hours : These are not set in stone, when we first opened for 4 days, we said 4am closing but on Fridays and Saturdays we ended up closing at 6am because a lot of players wanted to stay later, we are licenced till 6am so we can review the closing hours on a weekly basis and make the correct tweaks to satisfy our customers.

3. Re-Buys - We get 80-100 runners on the Friday £20 RB and plenty of cash game players - but you can get this type of comp in most casinos across the country, we set DTD up to offer a different product and I played this comp one night and the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, of course, he got busted and left the club 5 minutes later, I felt bad - I don't want to feel bad. I never wanted re-buys at DTD as I wrote in my diary thread, and I want to be true to my word.

4. DTD as a Business - I have 2 types of businesses in my portfolio, "commercial" and "lifestyle", DTD is the latter, like my Pub and Football Club, this means it should be a pleasure to operate even I don't get any "wages" from it (yes - believe it or not "dealers choice crew" - we have not made 1p of profit since we opened), the enjoyment should outweigh the financial benefits. It has not been "pleasureble" to run a 7 days poker club, so I have made these changes. If DTD was a "commerical" business I would stick machines and casino tables in the club, therefore, I want a smaller, more exclusive and easier to manage operation.

Thanks for your comments,

Cheers

Rob

[Girgy85]

Hi,

I have been to the club tonight (the last Tuesday we will open!) and spoke to a lot of people, we had 62 runners for the comp plus another 48 people come for cash games/drinks etc, I have also read the posts on this thread, so I thought it would be approriate to reply, so here goes:

1. Opening Days -  these are set in stone, these extra 2 days will really allow us to plan and organise DTD a lot better, the quality of service has dipped below what I consider to be acceptable even though we still get plenty of compliments, myself and Nick have "other jobs" as well as DTD and the strain on the other members of the management team of supporting a 7 day operation + planning 3rd party events + planning festivals  has been way too much. I do not want to recruit more people into the management team as this will dilute the passion, In 2009 we will have 12 3rd party events, 12 321's weekends and 4 DTD festivals, we need those extra 2 days to get things right. Also, when we were open 4 days we would use the other 3 days to train the staff, the 7 day schedule has made this impossible. Maggie and Yogi both did over 80 hours last week - thats is too much to be effective and happy working at DTD.

2. Opening/Closing Hours : These are not set in stone, when we first opened for 4 days, we said 4am closing but on Fridays and Saturdays we ended up closing at 6am because a lot of players wanted to stay later, we are licenced till 6am so we can review the closing hours on a weekly basis and make the correct tweaks to satisfy our customers.

3. Re-Buys - We get 80-100 runners on the Friday £20 RB and plenty of cash game players - but you can get this type of comp in most casinos across the country, we set DTD up to offer a different product and I played this comp one night and the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, of course, he got busted and left the club 5 minutes later, I felt bad - I don't want to feel bad. I never wanted re-buys at DTD as I wrote in my diary thread, and I want to be true to my word.

4. DTD as a Business - I have 2 types of businesses in my portfolio, "commercial" and "lifestyle", DTD is the latter, like my Pub and Football Club, this means it should be a pleasure to operate even I don't get any "wages" from it (yes - believe it or not "dealers choice crew" - we have not made 1p of profit since we opened), the enjoyment should outweigh the financial benefits. It has not been "pleasureble" to run a 7 days poker club, so I have made these changes. If DTD was a "commerical" business I would stick machines and casino tables in the club, therefore, I want a smaller, more exclusive and easier to manage operation.

Thanks for your comments,

Cheers

Rob

Any chance of a job?

[Azirapheal]

Hi,

I have been to the club tonight (the last Tuesday we will open!) and spoke to a lot of people, we had 62 runners for the comp plus another 48 people come for cash games/drinks etc, I have also read the posts on this thread, so I thought it would be approriate to reply, so here goes:

1. Opening Days -  these are set in stone, these extra 2 days will really allow us to plan and organise DTD a lot better, the quality of service has dipped below what I consider to be acceptable even though we still get plenty of compliments, myself and Nick have "other jobs" as well as DTD and the strain on the other members of the management team of supporting a 7 day operation + planning 3rd party events + planning festivals  has been way too much. I do not want to recruit more people into the management team as this will dilute the passion, In 2009 we will have 12 3rd party events, 12 321's weekends and 4 DTD festivals, we need those extra 2 days to get things right. Also, when we were open 4 days we would use the other 3 days to train the staff, the 7 day schedule has made this impossible. Maggie and Yogi both did over 80 hours last week - thats is too much to be effective and happy working at DTD.

2. Opening/Closing Hours : These are not set in stone, when we first opened for 4 days, we said 4am closing but on Fridays and Saturdays we ended up closing at 6am because a lot of players wanted to stay later, we are licenced till 6am so we can review the closing hours on a weekly basis and make the correct tweaks to satisfy our customers.

3. Re-Buys - We get 80-100 runners on the Friday £20 RB and plenty of cash game players - but you can get this type of comp in most casinos across the country, we set DTD up to offer a different product and I played this comp one night and the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, of course, he got busted and left the club 5 minutes later, I felt bad - I don't want to feel bad. I never wanted re-buys at DTD as I wrote in my diary thread, and I want to be true to my word.

4. DTD as a Business - I have 2 types of businesses in my portfolio, "commercial" and "lifestyle", DTD is the latter, like my Pub and Football Club, this means it should be a pleasure to operate even I don't get any "wages" from it (yes - believe it or not "dealers choice crew" - we have not made 1p of profit since we opened), the enjoyment should outweigh the financial benefits. It has not been "pleasureble" to run a 7 days poker club, so I have made these changes. If DTD was a "commerical" business I would stick machines and casino tables in the club, therefore, I want a smaller, more exclusive and easier to manage operation.

Thanks for your comments,

Cheers

Rob

Any chance of a job?

 doing what? theres a hundred of us ya know

[Jon MW]

... the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, ...

That pretty much sums up the reason why I don't like rebuys.

[AndrewT]

... the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, ...

That pretty much sums up the reason why I don't like rebuys.

?

What do you have against a one in three chance of nontupling up first hand?

The thing which causes many people to be against rebuys is that they play them as if they are freezeouts.

As started elsewhere in the thread, the problem with the rebuys is the cost. Many player seem to think of rebuys (especially £10 ones) as bingo. They generally only are for that first hour. One the freezeout period has started, you will find a lot of chips in play and some quite deep stacks, allowing more play than you would get in a comparative freezeout.

[brolove]

I don't post on this forum as often as i would like but i'd like to add the following..

I play DTD normally at least once a week. myself and a number of poker friends make the 90 mile round trip from Sheffield ( normally in my car lol ) and we select to make this trip rather than the 10/15 minute drive to our local casino ( Naps Owlerton ) now i don't mind this because of the range of comps available.

When you first opened i generally played the £75 and £100 freezeouts cause thats what was on offer the nights i could attend ( fridays and saturdays ) and after bubbling the first 2 tournys i played i made a few finals ( yet to win one ).

when you changed to the £20 rebuy comp on a friday i wasn't very happy, but continued to play because of the professionalism on the dealers, staff and management but didn't get down as much as i'd have liked too.

Now this is music to my ears that you are reverting back to freezeout comps. This is proper poker.. if i want to play bingo bango poker i can do that 15 minutes away from me with the local " more money than sense" players but is there any chance of making it 5000 chips instead of 4000 for that little extra play

the only point i would disagree with you Rob is that it's impersonal... personally i feel i could go to the club alone and not feel that way.. not just because of the players that i have got to know but also the staff.. and thats all staff they always seem to have time for you.

I know I will continue to support DTD with my presence even if you only opened 1 day a week for 2 hours... it's what we all wanted, we got what we wanted.. now we need to respect your wishes on how you want to run the club.

so Finally i'll say this ... ROB ! It's YOURS and your STAFFS club.. you run it how you like.. We will support it in what ever format you think is best.

Mark

 

[Jon MW]

... the whole table went all-in first hand after a player had raised with AA, ...

That pretty much sums up the reason why I don't like rebuys.

?

What do you have against a one in three chance of nontupling up first hand?

The thing which causes many people to be against rebuys is that they play them as if they are freezeouts.

As started elsewhere in the thread, the problem with the rebuys is the cost. Many player seem to think of rebuys (especially £10 ones) as bingo. They generally only are for that first hour. One the freezeout period has started, you will find a lot of chips in play and some quite deep stacks, allowing more play than you would get in a comparative freezeout.

Yes and once I've got to the freezeout stages in tournaments I've generally been happy with all the chips I have to play with.

But to get there you have to either be lucky (like nontupling up first hand) or avoid being unlucky to a much greater degree than in a freezeout.
Therefore there is a higher ratio of luck to skill needed in rebuys than freezeouts - that's what I don't like.