The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[nirvana]

Out of. Interest. Does anyone still reading this think Brexit will happen? Perhaps it's counterintuitive but I think the only route now is a second ref.

Define Brexit.

I think at some point in the next three years we will no longer be a full member state of the EU.

Haha. Would take a better man than me to do that. But your characterisation is good enough for me. On balance I don't think that will happen although I can see that a very very soft Brexit voted through in a second ref could get us to that point.

[TightEnd]

Plenty of praise this weekend for Peter Oborne's article.  Not quite what you'd expect from a Daily Mail political correspondent, albeit he's writing here in a personal capacity:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/

this is my view, in his words

"I readily accept that the European Union is a dysfunctional body beset by all manner of problems. But the lesson of the last two years is that we are much better off working inside the EU... for reform and not as a hostile neighbour."

combined with Cox's comments last week in which he (very belatedly) acknowledged the difficulty in undoing 45 years of integration with the EU. Could have done with that being recognised and asserted in 2016 rather than attempting to tell people it would be a piece of cake.

fun few days ahead to see if the talks May/Corbyn hammer out something that avoid no deal at the end of the week

[doubleup]

Good to see you posting Tighty, hope you are well!

[ripple11]

Good to see you posting Tighty, hope you are well!

+1

[ripple11]

Hopefully things will be alot clearer/happier by Friday. I'm off on hols Saturday and are waiting for the Pound to rise before buying currency 

[Doobs]

Good to see you posting Tighty, hope you are well!

+1

+1, hopefully we can get some sanity back here, if there is such a thing where Brexit is concerned.

[nirvana]

Good to see you posting Tighty, hope you are well!

+1

+1, hopefully we can get some sanity back here, if there is such a thing where Brexit is concerned.

Nice to welcome Rich back but you think the best way to get people to behave pleasantly is to call the general level of peoples contributions insane

Honestly think I'm the only normal person left here

[4KSuited]

Welcome back Tighty

I can’t help but feel that regardless of the outcome now, we are facing a turbulent future. A very soft ‘Brexit’ would possibly be the worst of all outcomes: Brexiteers would see it as no Brexit at all, whilst Remainers would continue to complain, suggesting that that this is a far worse outcome than Remaining in the EU. Both sides would be right, IMO.

So, in a nutshell, virtually no one would be satisfied.

I wonder if the extension period could be used to negotiate EU Reforms so that a “Remain in a Reformed EU” could be put on a new Referendum ballot paper? Yeh, I know, I’m just dreaming - or insane. One of the two.

[RED-DOG]

It's not fair, you're all individuals except me.

[tikay]

Good to see you posting Tighty, hope you are well!

+1

+1, hopefully we can get some sanity back here, if there is such a thing where Brexit is concerned.

Nice to welcome Rich back but you think the best way to get people to behave pleasantly is to call the general level of peoples contributions insane

Honestly think I'm the only normal person left here

Define normal.

[nirvana]

Welcome back Tighty

I can’t help but feel that regardless of the outcome now, we are facing a turbulent future. A very soft ‘Brexit’ would possibly be the worst of all outcomes: Brexiteers would see it as no Brexit at all, whilst Remainers would continue to complain, suggesting that that this is a far worse outcome than Remaining in the EU. Both sides would be right, IMO.

So, in a nutshell, virtually no one would be satisfied.

I wonder if the extension period could be used to negotiate EU Reforms so that a “Remain in a Reformed EU” could be put on a new Referendum ballot paper? Yeh, I know, I’m just dreaming - or insane. One of the two.

Nutter

[nirvana]

Good to see you posting Tighty, hope you are well!

+1

+1, hopefully we can get some sanity back here, if there is such a thing where Brexit is concerned.

Nice to welcome Rich back but you think the best way to get people to behave pleasantly is to call the general level of peoples contributions insane

Honestly think I'm the only normal person left here

Define normal.

Haha, sharp for an old timer.

[MANTIS01]

Who suggested working as a “hostile neighbour” was a good idea?

The endless stream of these wazzock adjectives makes my head hurt and robs me of the opportunity to digest salient points.

A partnership where one party is hostile wont work. Thus saying working amicably in tandem with partners is better than being hostile is like something a chimpanzee would high-five. Brilliant intellect from the Daily Mail chappie.

[TightEnd]

May arrives at EU summit. Still clinging to idea that she can get her deal done insisting she’s not prepared to delay Brexit any further than June 30. Two minutes earlier the Lithuania President arrived & said EU 27 would agree to a long extension

In reality, the EU will impose a long extension on May and she will accept. Her deal doesn’t look like it will pass in HoC. So then what?

A new Tory leader takes the extension and starts again, or moves to no deal? After an election?

[ripple11]

May arrives at EU summit. Still clinging to idea that she can get her deal done insisting she’s not prepared to delay Brexit any further than June 30. Two minutes earlier the Lithuania President arrived & said EU 27 would agree to a long extension

In reality, the EU will impose a long extension on May and she will accept. Her deal doesn’t look like it will pass in HoC. So then what?

A new Tory leader takes the extension and starts again, or moves to no deal? After an election?

They had the ex PM of Finland on TV earlier. I liked his thought of 30th June is the final end date.

 "Go back to the HoC Mrs.May and you have 3 choices.......EU deal, no deal or revoke."