quick one - super standard fold pre? $10k gtd 25/50 playing c5k stack

[sovietsong]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17267795782: $10,000 Guarantee (129294094), Table 20 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:38:04 ET - 2010/01/02
Seat 1: Stackz4Life (4,625)
Seat 2: kill will now (170), is sitting out
Seat 3: mariloco (2,565)
Seat 4: hchamp4 (4,360)
Seat 5: sovietsong (5,020)
Seat 6: fleamick90 (5,075)
Seat 7: 1--penelope--1 (6,995)
Seat 9: kiwifishNZ (7,730)
Stackz4Life posts the small blind of 25
kill will now posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sovietsong [ ]
mariloco folds
hchamp4 raises to 175
sovietsong raises to 550
fleamick90 folds
1--penelope--1 folds
kiwifishNZ calls 550
Stackz4Life folds
kill will now folds
hchamp4 raises to 4,360, and is all in

this is a standard fold?

[action man]

its a super standard flat pre. Now its a hate life fold without reads.

[sovietsong]

its a super standard flat pre. Now its a hate life fold without reads.

tyty i fking hate jacks.  misplay them at every opportunity!

[ChipRich]

its a super standard flat pre. Now its a hate life fold without reads.

this basically.

Defo flat pre for me, but now fold i guess.

[Sack it off]

How come you flatting pre?

I'd 3b.

Is it to get more value from your hand as you are so deep and early in a tournament?

[Cf]

I also flat pre.

The problem with 3betting for me here is that against an unknown a 4bet means only one of three hands. And I pretty much have to fold. If you do get flat called then this doesn't really help you either. They may be getting stubborn with their suited connectors or whatever. Or they may be being tricky with their premiums. Either way, you don't really know and you're going to be uncomfortable on most flops.

Just flat call and play the streets. Bear in mind that you're not necessarily set mining here.

If you have a good read on your opponent then I guess you might 3bet and call a shove for value. But if someone really is this spewy then sticking in 100 bigs pre doesn't seem to most profitible way of getting their chips.

[Royal Flush]

How come you flatting pre?

Because 3b folding is like hell in a can.

[Sack it off]

Fair points,

I would prefer to play a bigger pot in position, I can take charge of the pot and I can give a free card or make him pay for a card. I wouldn't like to be facing a big bet flop and turn on a 9 high board.

[Sack it off]

lol @ your condescending manner, ty

[EvilPie]

Fair points,

I would prefer to play a bigger pot in position, I can take charge of the pot and I can give a free card or make him pay for a card. I wouldn't like to be facing a big bet flop and turn on a 9 high board.

You're living in a dream world if you expect people to peel a flop to 3bets oop ever. Yeah everyone would prefer that but it never happens any more, pretty much everyone knows to 4bet or fold in villain's spot. If he's never calling, only 4betting or folding, and you're folding to a 4bet then congratulations, you have successfully turned your JJ into a bluff.

Are you 3 bet calling KK and AA only, possibly AK?

Do you 3 bet fold anything here? suited connectors for example?