BlueSq.com GUKPT Brighton: Day 2

[tufat23]

im sure u'll find that the killer in ure face is richard lewindon not lewingdon. WHATS UP LEWI SHIP THIS 1/1

[NoflopsHomer]

Iwan Jones asked if I would post that the TD said he did absolutely nothing wrong.

[bovie]

                                                                                                                                                                             
Sorry snoops it was your mate flops. still cant get over how one could compare anyone to alberto.

i wish i had been drinking.

[NoflopsHomer]

Chip Counts courtesy of Jon Raab.

1   1   James Sudworth   83000
1   2   Bernard Litman   149400
1   3   Priyan De Mel   45800
1   4   Ian Frazer   42500
1   5   Michael Greco   23500
1   6   Richard Lewidon   149300
1   7   Nathan Lee   144300
1   8   Gary Cooper   96700
1   9   Iwan Jones   17800

2   1   Kerry Taylor   94400
2   2   Nicholas Holbrook   184100
2   3   Andreas Hoivold   106300
2   4   Tim Flanders   114900
2   6   Dinh Doat Le   137400
2   7   James Fuller   41900
2   8   Keir Ratcliff   117400
2   9   Martyn Cavanagh   43300

3   1   Alan Trueick   42500
3   3   Kjetil Naess   98600
3   4   Ian Woodley   44300
3   5   Ramsey Arjam   190600
3   6   Will Kassouf   45200
3   7   Mohamed Muse   92500
3   8   Matt Perrins   170300
3   9   Craig Brignall   81400

[easypickings]

Iwan Jones asked if I would post that the TD said he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Hats off to Iwan Jones. Alot of players would think "it doesn't involve me, I shouldn't say anything." However, is a situation where Frazer obviously cannot say anything himself as it may give something away, and Iwan is good enough to recgonise this, know for sure what is fair, and his intervention there is a real help.

If you are an experienced player, you just KNOW you cannot say anything like "I've got to call you," as an innocent remark.

Wp Mr Jones

[George2Loose]

Is Trigg starting to sweat it or is the book evening itself out?

[Micko]

Iwan Jones asked if I would post that the TD said he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Hats off to Iwan Jones. Alot of players would think "it doesn't involve me, I shouldn't say anything." However, is a situation where Frazer obviously cannot say anything himself as it may give something away, and Iwan is good enough to recgonise this, know for sure what is fair, and his intervention there is a real help.

If you are an experienced player, you just KNOW you cannot say anything like "I've got to call you," as an innocent remark.

Wp Mr Jones

I dunno this is tricky spot personally i dont like someone getting involved in a hand that he/she ist in but i also realise a seasoned pro shouldt be sayin ive got to call you. He obv was sayin this for some reaction but i dont think he'll be doing it again in a hurry lol

[4thstreet]

Lets have some of Nick 'the riverdog' holbrook hands guys. you've not listed any yet he's got 180k!!!

go nick and pri 'the ruling' demel

[easypickings]

My take on it is that Iwan is only doing that as he's a really good guy with a sense of fair play, and knew what was right in the situation.

He realises that Frazer is tongue tied in the situation (whatever he says could give something away), and so knew that a third party had to flag it up to the TD. The TD doesn't have to take Iwan's word on its own, but calling him over now allows the TD to hear the story from three parties that he should listen to- that is Frazer, Priam, and the dealer.

In a ideal world, the dealer would have the confidence to either make a ruling himself straight away or call the TD straight away, but that does not happen at the GUKPT. Iwan Jones wasn't giving an opinion about an ambiguos situation, it was very clear what had happened. He knew he was flagging up something that was blatantly unfair, and that the right outcome might be lost in confusion if he didn't say so.


He won't have wanted to at all, as it's not in anyone's interests to have a charged atmosphere at the table, but was brave enough to do the right thing.

[bovie]

Iwan is a friend, and its his option to call for a rule from the tourny/d,but i think ian frazer should have asked if he felt it was a call verbal.

[NoflopsHomer]

Iwan Jones has pushed 3 times but yet to be called.

James Fuller pushes from the button. Martyn Cavangh calls for most of his stack.

Fuller:

Cavanagh:



Fuller OUT.

Alan Trueick knocks out Ian Woodley soon after with vs with a board.

Stop! Bubbletime!

[tufat23]

i disagree, because ure assuming jones has nothing to gain from teh call being enforced. before i say anything, i dont know jones at all and have no knowledge of his character.

 how do u know that he doesnt call the floor selectively in this spot, for only the times when it benefits him? people say stuff like that all the time, but if he finds a spot where he thinks priam is just saying it to say it, but no he can angleshoot an enforced call and have a good player lose chips then its to his benefit. he's a player in the game, at the table in a tournamnet where every pot that happens affects his tournament. its not like hes just some innocent party thats on a brigade to enforce the rules to the letter, he has an active interest in the hand even tho hes not in it.

[NoflopsHomer]

Priyan De Mel is the bubble, he pushed with A-Q from the button and Ian Frazer called with 6-6. No help for either and everyone is in the money now...

[T8MML]

i disagree, because ure assuming jones has nothing to gain from teh call being enforced. before i say anything, i dont know jones at all and have no knowledge of his character.

 how do u know that he doesnt call the floor selectively in this spot, for only the times when it benefits him? people say stuff like that all the time, but if he finds a spot where he thinks priam is just saying it to say it, but no he can angleshoot an enforced call and have a good player lose chips then its to his benefit. he's a player in the game, at the table in a tournamnet where every pot that happens affects his tournament. its not like hes just some innocent party thats on a brigade to enforce the rules to the letter, he has an active interest in the hand even tho hes not in it.

Like you say - you don't known "Jones"

[George2Loose]

Im not saying what Jones did was right or wrong but surely poker etiquette dictates that if you're not in the hand you shouldn't be talking?

De Mel should know better making such statements- Frazier should have called for the ruling if he believed it to be a call