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Newbie Q here!!   Be kind!

Me and a few mates are going to blackpool for next months festival.  Mostly play online and we were wondering what the side action cash games will be like midweek (not that an ealry exit is being considered!).

Ermm what games... HE ,PLO etc etc.

Are they usually PL limit or NL

Whats the typical sit down and blinds.

Cheers!
 ;D

juicy just ask to be seated next to a notts player

PLHE PLO and dealers choice will all be offered
and if your lucky some shifting sands

Aha, I see Ironside is feeling a little better. Yellow Card Ironside, be off with you.

Welcome to blonde, splash, as it happens I just dropped you a note.

Blackpool side action? Yeah, plenty. Dealers choice, PLH & PLO, as I recall. But try & avoid the Omaha table that has Shaf on it. He plenty lairy.

And try & avoid the Notts boys, who will be up there in force. You don't want to get caught in the Blackpool/Notts crossfire, there's gonna be blood on the floor. Hehe.....

Wonderful.... wots the usual sit down?

Ta.  ;D

I only played cash there once or twice, but I seem to recall 50, 100, & 250. Oh, & the Blackpool Boys play a 5 table.

Anyway, where ARE these Blackpool Boys, & what am I doing answering their questions for them. Never here when you want 'em. eh?

shafs actually banned now tikay. If you are real newbies and you intend dipping your toe in the cash game water in blackpool you had better be prepared to lose a leg. You will be lucky to be left with a stump with the sharks in the cash games there. Mainly dealers choice P/l tables but you will have to learn padooki and shifting sands to compete on there. The texas table (again PL) can be value with many gamblers. The only blood on the floor will be from tikays nose if he manages to win a hand in his round match in the heads up battle royal between notts and blackpool. Details are virtualy sorted now by the way and will be announced soon.
ariston

Could you please explain the rules for 'shifting sands'.

Just in case I get the urge to visit.

 ;)

And while you are at it (at it? - leave that to the Notts Boys) can anyone explain what Padooki has to do with Poker? This is nothing to do with Notts/Blackpool clash, I am just curious how it comes to be included in Dealers Choice in poker cash games. Poker is where you get straights, & flushes, & pairs & trips & stuff. WTF has Padooki gotta do with poker? As it happens, Notts have any number of world-class Padooki players, but I simply don't understand why we play it.

I'll give you a clue regarding padooki Tikay.

The button has a big advantage at padooki, ergo it's a good game to pick at dealer's.

Thanks Karabiner.

But that was not my question, & it's odd that everyone I ask ducks the question. I know HOW to play it, but I don't know WHY we play it.

What has Padooki got to do with Poker?

About the same as 7 card omaha has to do with 5 card draw ?

Or hilo or any form of lowballl for that matter...

Omaha. You get straights, flushes, sets, full houses, yeah?

7 card draw. Ditto.

So they ARE related.

But I rest my case - nobody can answer the question it seems.

If you accept lowball as a valid form of poker, then padooki is merely a variant.

Now now Ralph, don't be putting words in my mouth!

It was YOU that mentioned Lowball, not me.

So you've ducked the question again, you can't defend it by throwing in "if you accepts".......

What has Padooki got to do with Poker was the question.

Once someone says "nothing" I'll toddle off happily, point made.

Buit in fairness to the Blackpool Boys, perhaps I should use shorter words.

OK do you accept lowball as a valid form of poker ?

Because for people who do it is not a quantum leap to see that padooki is a variation.

Is that better ?

BTW I thought Tuesday was cash game at Gala.

Or are you protesting the inclusion of padooki, lowball, hilo et al ?

 ::)

I have never played Lowball. I have never seen it played in a UK Casino, nor in Europe. I can't find it on an online poker (POKER....!) site. So, "I don't know" is the honest answer. I have no interest in Lowball. And the question did not mention Lowball.

Now how about an honest, straight, answer to my question. What has Padooki got to to with Poker?

I "sit out" when they play Padooki Ralph, it's the colluders heaven. Besides, I only play Poker related games......

And they don'y play Lowball.

The big cash game at the Vic for the last twenty years (roughly) has been the 1000 round of each.

One round of 4 card omaha, one round of 7 stud lowball (universally referred to as London lowball)l.

Omaha hilo is played on most online sites, I believe triple draw lowball is spread on UB.

Get with it man !!

Why would you sit out in a game where you can get a hand for free which could be the absolute nuts ?

Omaha, is that the game with straights, flushes, pairs & sets?

Please try & answer the question DIRECTLY.....

What has - oh strewth, I am just not gettng through here, am I......

Do you play hilo Tony ?

Because whilst I COULD get dealt the absolute nuts, chances are I will get A-2-3-3, or A-2-3-K, & keep paying to see "just one more card"....

Meanwhile, the pot-rammers are busy stuffing the pot.

Besides, I go down there on a Tuesday (or used to) to play Poker......

So, one last time - Oh dammit, I give up.

I don't suppose you could actually try just ONE reply that is not a question? Just one tinsy winsy one? For Uncle Tony?

What has Padooki got to do with Poker

Poker is a game played using a standard deck of playing cards. Some versions use the addition of jokers, and others have some cards removed (strip deck.)

In poker you make a combination of cards to form a poker hand. The hand you form is ranked against a predefined set of hands.

In games like Texas Holdem, Omaha and 7 Card Stud players make their best 5 card hand and the hands are ranked high card, pair, two pair etc.

In the game London Lowball players make their best 5 card hand. The ranking of hands is defined A2346 (the best hand) followed by A2356, A2456 etc.

In the game 2-7 Triple draw players make their best 5 card hand. The ranking of hands is 234547 (best hand), 23467, 23567 etc.

In the game padooki players make their best 4 card hand. The ranking of hands is A234 of different suits (best hand) A235, A236 etc.

So, to summarise, the reason why padooki is like poker is it is a game played with a deck of playing cards where players try to make the best hand as defined by the ranking of hands for that particular game.

Thank you Jon, a concise answer at last.

I now understand better the logic.

But fundamentally, my q came fom the concept that I largely stick to tournament poker. And the "predefined set of hands" in poker as I know it are pairs, sets, straights, flushes, etc, none of which apply in Padooki. I believe 2-7 triple draw is still played in the WSOP, but it's a fairly obscure game these days, is it not? Do many/any online sites spread it?

So I CAN see the relationship now, but for me, the "predefined set of hands" that I recognize as poker in it's true sense are the ones we play, by and large, in tourneys.

But thank you for a well constructed answer. Eat your heart out Karabiner..... ;)

I have played tournaments in 2-7 draw, A-5 Draw with a Joker, 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo, Omaha Hi/Lo and Soko none of which use the "predefined set of hands that are used for Holdem.

I believe you can still play in all of these tournaments (maybe with the exception of A-5 Draw with a joker) somewhere around the world at some point each year. Each of these games (with the exception of A-5 Draw with a joker) can be played on at least one online site.

Yes, as I said, "...fairly obscure these days".

And surely, 7 card stud hi-lo, & Omaha Hi-Lo use the traditional predefined hands for the "high"......

But at last I have the answer to my question now. Should have asked you in the first place maybe....

You are right, all of those games are fairly obscure. It used to be the case that Holdem was pretty obscure too.
Originally the game played was 5 card draw. Then there was 5 card stud. This changed to 7 Card Stud, and then we got holdem.
The times, they are always a changing. Who's to say that in the future the most popular game will still be Holdem?

Well I was kinda hoping the pendalum may swing in the direction of Omaha, but, tourney wise, that seems to be going down the pan now. I would play Omaha tourneys in preference to Hold 'Em any day of the week, but, thankfully, we are all different. But maybe it's the Rebuy format that's the problem, as the Frezeouts still seem to get the numbers.

The total entants at the Luton Spring Festival this year were 30% up on last year, when I believe they included 7 card stud. This year's Festival was 100% Hold 'Em, sadly, but it seems to be what the punters want. And, tellingly, the rebuys were poorly attended (85, 74, 64), whereas the Freezeouts attracted almost capacity numbers on the whole.

Fascinating, the way fashions change, eh?

I mention padooki in a post and the senior member of the lacey boy team goes into palpatations. My defence of padooki (even though I hate it): Padooki is a variant of triple draw lowaball. Is triple draw lowball poker- well there is a WSOP event for it so that will do for me. Simple enough for you Tikay?
Rules for shifting sands. Each player starts with 5 cards (2 to be discarded)-round of betting and discards. Each player then turns a card. The game is then hilo 7 card stud but you recieve each card face down and choose which one to turn up. At the end of the game the highest card in your hand is wild for your low hand and the lowest card is wild for your high hand (aces are neutral- cannot be wild). A hand of 333QQT (5 queens after 6th street) becomes only 4 3s if you hit a 2 on 7th street. Draw shifting sands is now being played as well.
ariston

Could you please explain why padooki is "colluder's heaven" ?

I would consider it one of the least likely candidates for collusion.

Before we all go off at an extreme tangent. Whoops too late you already have. There will not, and for people who might miss the word, NOT be any Shifting sands, or Padooki played on the dealers choice tables at the festival. If half the players dont know what is going on then how r the dealers meant to know.

There will be PLH, PLO, O/T high only and dealers choice. Any other suggestions will be listened to. Sit downs will range from 50-500, Antes from 1-5 dependent upon the sit down.

Hope that clears up any questions that Ariston in his eagerness to help out has caused you all to ask.

Yogi.

P.S. Btw. Tikay do we get a camera crew too? Shall i cut my hair and be presentable?

P.P.S. My heel whilst not mended properly, no longer causes me to not be at my station. I will be back from Friday. I know that will please some of ya but not others.

Bugger!  I'd just been down Waterstone and picked up a copy of Padooki Super System as well! 

 >:(

Thanks for the info cu there.

if omaha was offered at a reasonable price in a freezeout or DC freezeout format it would be the game i would prefer to play
but i cant compete with pro players and sponsored players with deep pockets in a 500 or 1k rebuy event
the 100 event at blackpool is more reasonable but it realy depends on how wild the players are going to play during
the rebuy period and being unwilling to spend 7 or 8 rebuys could put me at a disavantage when playing
against some deep pockets players

But where do you stand on padooki Ironside ?

Not like you to duck an issue !

 ;) :D ;)

never played it dont know the rules can't comment

i like a bit of razz though pity it wasnt played pot limit

Yogi,

Will the Poker 425 Crew be at Blackpool? Watch this space (& fingers crossed)......

Best bib & tucker, eh?

I will respond to the Padooki Debate - which I appear to be losing about 9-0 - later......but I am delighted you will NOT be spreading it at the Festival.

Is padooki like kalooki?
Ian

ewwww Padooki, its not even a variation of poker so why would anyone play it at a poke rtable anyway?


If the 425 crew are comin Tikay i better scrub up dont wanna be seen in that clowns outfit of a uniform lmao

"Padooki is not even a variation of poker". Well I tried that line Blue Wolf, & I got shot to pieces!

The 425 crew at Blackpool? An application has been made, it's up to HQ now.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=14644


Padooki (mispelt as badougi) is spreading it seems. Anyway what about Picture Padooki, surely the cadillac of poker  :o

Padooki is not a variant poker game. It is a card game similar to poker, in the same way that 3 Card Brag is similar to poker.
The reason Padooki is not a variant of poker is simple. In poker you make your best FIVE card hand. In Padooki you make your best FOUR card hand.

Wow, I'm confused now. My original notion was "what has padooki got to do with poker?" & I got cut to pieces by Karabiner, & exited swiftly, tail between legs.

So the actual answer is, "it's simiilar to poker"...

I will settle for THAT!

Yogi......90% certain that Poker425 will be at Blackpool for the main event. We are awaitng the ok from the Grosvener.....but don''t go to the same barbers as Tikay whatever you do.  ;)

HEHEHEHE
I wont be going to the same one. I know a nice lady who will use a cutthroat razor at the back of the neck. sends shivers down my spine thinking of it.

Yogi

whats the odds i get the night shift for that then lol, not gonna get my mug on the box lol, wonder how much swatting up the managers will do so they dont seem like they dont have a clue lol

Bobby,

I never went to the barbers.