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TL900
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 02:37:55 PM »
I don't shove either hand. I just said I would
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have 9Ts than ATo
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@MtSpewmore
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I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
mulhuzz
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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Quote from: TL900 on April 05, 2013, 02:37:55 PM
I don't shove either hand. I just said I would
rather
have 9Ts than ATo
i know, but I'm still interested in how wide you think he's opening. I actually think he's calling wider as well, usually.
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TL900
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 02:44:48 PM »
Quote from: mulhuzz on April 05, 2013, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: TL900 on April 05, 2013, 02:37:55 PM
I don't shove either hand. I just said I would
rather
have 9Ts than ATo
i know, but I'm still interested in how wide you think he's opening. I actually think he's calling wider as well, usually.
I obviously can't tell you his opening range. I don't think he will be calling much wider than 77 AJs AQo, flick in KQs 66 AJo even ATs and 9Ts still does better than ATo.
The more I think about the more trivial folds I think they both are.
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I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
Pinchop73
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 02:46:47 PM »
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First they came for the nits, and I did not speak out because I was not a nit
Doobs
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:07:59 PM »
Whilst I think he was a bit rude, the top 10% (well 9.8%) according to pokerstove is 88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo and the contrived 77+, AJs+, AQo+ range that is close to that which ATo does worst against.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
2,198,598,336 games 0.001 secs 2,198,598,336,000 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.532% 58.31% 02.22% 1282090440 48766860.00 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 39.468% 37.25% 02.22% 818974176 48766860.00 { ATo }
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
821,905,920 games 0.000 secs 164,381,184,000 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.484% 65.08% 00.41% 534867680 3346404.00 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 34.516% 34.11% 00.41% 280345432 3346404.00 { T9s }
Guess you can argue all day about the merits of pokerstove ranges, but at least it seems impartial.
I'd put the top 10% as roughly an average rec's calling range. Just need to work out his raising range now.
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TL900
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:20:22 PM »
who raise/calls QTs for 15bigs here utg vs MP? that r/c range seems crazy.
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@MtSpewmore
Quote from: jgcblack
I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
Dubai
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:22:09 PM »
Cant imagine anyone snapping A9s, KTs and QTs and folding 77. Which just proves you can usually adjust stoves to make most sides of arguments to appear correct
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Doobs
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:30:11 PM »
Quote from: TL900 on April 05, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
who raise/calls QTs for 15bigs here utg vs MP?
The fella with all the chips?
I agree with Dubai FWIW, but still feel the argument is a bit silly. ATo is probably better than T9s, but no need form him to be rude about it, as they aren't going to be that far off.
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Most of the bets placed so far seem more like hopeful punts rather than value spots
Nit Tendencies
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:48:41 PM »
I want to apologise for my previous comment, not because I was wrong, but because of how I came across. I was playing at the same time and just quickly rattled it off without thinking about how arrogant the comment was.
I am surprised at the stove results, but I do agree with the range, I guess this just shows how long it's been since I've done any proper equity work off the table for MTTs (I haven't played MTTs for a living in over 7 months).
I am sorry again mate, I genuinely didn't mean to be such a prick about it.
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TL900
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:52:01 PM »
Its cool, no biggie.
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@MtSpewmore
Quote from: jgcblack
I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
Dubai
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:52:07 PM »
Yeah i think TL900s range is closer to correct than top 10%, brownie points allround for reply as well Jamie. We all type stuff on here that comes across badly as well
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titaniumbean
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:52:52 PM »
any bear4pricks about ?
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Nit Tendencies
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 03:56:36 PM »
Gotta own up when i'm in the wrong.
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titaniumbean
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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Quote from: Nit Tendencies on April 05, 2013, 03:56:36 PM
Gotta own up when i'm in the wrong.
you must be used to it now brah xx
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Nit Tendencies
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Re: Sunday Storm 22 left
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April 05, 2013, 04:02:24 PM »
Quote from: titaniumbean on April 05, 2013, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: Nit Tendencies on April 05, 2013, 03:56:36 PM
Gotta own up when i'm in the wrong.
you must be used to it now brah xx
Eat my fuck Beaneh you ass.
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