Stuart Hall, 15 months.

[Dubai]

Exact what I thought. The girls parents need to take decent amount of the responsibility IMO

[titaniumbean]

ya but in this moron infested world, no one has to take any responsibility even when they do something.

[Dubai]

Mine was to Camel

[titaniumbean]

mine was to myself, nothing to see here, move along please.

[horseplayer]

went to that school

live about a mile away from it now

without going into to much detail the family have to take a fair amount of the blame from what i can tell

[Cf]

The thing here though is 15 is way below the law. It's illegal for a teacher (or any other position of trust professions) to have sexual relations with any pupil under the age of 18, not 16. Whether it is consensual or not doesn't change this, although obviously if it wasn't consensual then you'd be looking at a rape charge.

[Jon MW]

ya but in this moron infested world, no one has to take any responsibility even when they do something.

I was going to say something like, he is taking responsibility because he's going to jail, but then realised that obviously that was bollocks.

All along I've wondered why he didn't plead guilty, and I still can't work it out.

He took her to France and as she was underage then consent was irrelevant.
Similarly he must have known that pleading not guilty would mean it would come out that they were definitely having sex.
And he was her teacher so it's a massively illegal abuse of trust and taking advantage of his position of authority, plus he knew she was particularly vulnerable when it all started which would also come out from pleading not guilty.

And that's even before you add on the testimony from his wife who he had only recently married when it started  to make him generally look like a bit of a douchebag.

His only defence seems to be that he thought she was going to commit suicide so he was basically 'looking after' her, which as well as being a bit shaky isn't really even a defence - it's mitigation at best.

All in all I find it completely bizarre that he pleaded not guilty -  but being a moron who just couldn't admit he was in the wrong would explain it.

[kinboshi]

The thing here though is 15 is way below the law. It's illegal for a teacher (or any other position of trust professions) to have sexual relations with any pupil under the age of 18, not 16. Whether it is consensual or not doesn't change this, although obviously if it wasn't consensual then you'd be looking at a rape charge.

Can you link to where it says it's illegal for a teacher to have sex with a 16 year old?

Also, sex with a 15 year old cannot be consensual in the eyes of the law, because the 15 year old is below the age of consent.

[celtic]

Man got 12 months for breaking into his ex birds flat, and stole her lingerie. Seems fair, given Stuart hall got 15 months.

[Jon MW]

The thing here though is 15 is way below the law. It's illegal for a teacher (or any other position of trust professions) to have sexual relations with any pupil under the age of 18, not 16. Whether it is consensual or not doesn't change this, although obviously if it wasn't consensual then you'd be looking at a rape charge.

Can you link to where it says it's illegal for a teacher to have sex with a 16 year old?

Also, sex with a 15 year old cannot be consensual in the eyes of the law, because the 15 year old is below the age of consent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_(Amendment)_Act_2000

Obviously not relevant in this case but I was doing teacher training around that time so I remember it being mentioned - but the only advice or training we were given was around not leaving yourself open to false allegations; I think it was pretty much just assumed that you didn't have to give any training to tell people it was wrong to actually do anything.

[Cf]

The thing here though is 15 is way below the law. It's illegal for a teacher (or any other position of trust professions) to have sexual relations with any pupil under the age of 18, not 16. Whether it is consensual or not doesn't change this, although obviously if it wasn't consensual then you'd be looking at a rape charge.

Can you link to where it says it's illegal for a teacher to have sex with a 16 year old?

Also, sex with a 15 year old cannot be consensual in the eyes of the law, because the 15 year old is below the age of consent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_(Amendment)_Act_2000

Obviously not relevant in this case but I was doing teacher training around that time so I remember it being mentioned - but the only advice or training we were given was around not leaving yourself open to false allegations; I think it was pretty much just assumed that you didn't have to give any training to tell people it was wrong to actually do anything.

It's worth mentioning in training because you could end up in a sixth form college where the pupils are 16+. I mean it should still pretty obviously be a no-no but perhaps it's not quite as obviously wrong as if you were in a secondary school.

[kinboshi]

The thing here though is 15 is way below the law. It's illegal for a teacher (or any other position of trust professions) to have sexual relations with any pupil under the age of 18, not 16. Whether it is consensual or not doesn't change this, although obviously if it wasn't consensual then you'd be looking at a rape charge.

Can you link to where it says it's illegal for a teacher to have sex with a 16 year old?

Also, sex with a 15 year old cannot be consensual in the eyes of the law, because the 15 year old is below the age of consent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_(Amendment)_Act_2000

Obviously not relevant in this case but I was doing teacher training around that time so I remember it being mentioned - but the only advice or training we were given was around not leaving yourself open to false allegations; I think it was pretty much just assumed that you didn't have to give any training to tell people it was wrong to actually do anything.

It's worth mentioning in training because you could end up in a sixth form college where the pupils are 16+. I mean it should still pretty obviously be a no-no but perhaps it's not quite as obviously wrong as if you were in a secondary school.

So is it only if the child is a student in your class?  If you're a teacher that doesn't teach that student are you still in a 'position of trust'?

[Cf]

The thing here though is 15 is way below the law. It's illegal for a teacher (or any other position of trust professions) to have sexual relations with any pupil under the age of 18, not 16. Whether it is consensual or not doesn't change this, although obviously if it wasn't consensual then you'd be looking at a rape charge.

Can you link to where it says it's illegal for a teacher to have sex with a 16 year old?

Also, sex with a 15 year old cannot be consensual in the eyes of the law, because the 15 year old is below the age of consent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_(Amendment)_Act_2000

Obviously not relevant in this case but I was doing teacher training around that time so I remember it being mentioned - but the only advice or training we were given was around not leaving yourself open to false allegations; I think it was pretty much just assumed that you didn't have to give any training to tell people it was wrong to actually do anything.

It's worth mentioning in training because you could end up in a sixth form college where the pupils are 16+. I mean it should still pretty obviously be a no-no but perhaps it's not quite as obviously wrong as if you were in a secondary school.

So is it only if the child is a student in your class?  If you're a teacher that doesn't teach that student are you still in a 'position of trust'?

In the school/college at all.

[Dubai]

Just the 5.5 years...

[AndrewT]

The whole thing is ridiculous.

He got one year for the abduction (an abduction where the 'victim' willingly went along of her own accord), and 5 and a half for the sex with a 15 year old, which was something which only sprung up today for 'legal reasons' - the legal reasons being that this isn't even an offence in France so couldn't be used as the basis for the international arrest warrant to bring him back.

When the appeal was made in France for people to be on the lookout for them, they couldn't understand what the problem was.

Yes, he did wrong, and certainly shouldn't ever be a teacher again, but four times worse than Stuart Hall, who abused a string of young girls, including a nine year old?