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« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2010, 12:00:36 PM » |
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opponents timing tell too I meant.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2010, 01:52:23 PM » |
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I really disagree that this spot as a stnd polarises your hand to or AIR If you have a built a range here then surely 2/3/4th nut flushes + cool merge combos like x or even .... I dont think that overshove bluffing/value betting is +EV at all in spots where you're polarized.
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2010, 01:52:55 PM » |
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just spotted a mistake in my last post, I added up AA KK QQ 44 to 24 when it's infact 15 on the flop.
Yeah I just ruled out so many hands n the flop once he checks, and thinking about it he can't just check fold that flop the majority of the time, he has to bet more hands. However he may also pot control with top pair which I disregarded.
I guess you need more reads on his post flop play to determine whether this is going to work most the time.
BTW whats the formula for working out what % you need your opponent to fold to make the bluff profitable? ie how did you get to >72%?
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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2010, 04:18:20 PM » |
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« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2010, 02:54:25 PM » |
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Pros
- We have showdown value against 22/3x/4x - We win ~$130 if he folds
Cons
- We have showdown value against 22/3x/4x - We lose $377.50 if he calls
loled really hard at this lols
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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2010, 02:55:46 PM » |
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u bluffed ahahahahhahahahahahahahah
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2010, 11:26:40 PM » |
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I really disagree that this spot as a stnd polarises your hand to or AIR If you have a built a range here then surely 2/3/4th nut flushes + cool merge combos like x or even .... I dont think that overshove bluffing/value betting is +EV at all in spots where you're polarized. Generally I think with overbet river dynamic it starts with doing it for valuetown, when your opponent knows you can do it for value you balance it with bluffs and when your opponent knows you can do it with a bluff you can do it for thin value. Some time after that you do it for merge/metagame. If I think a player is reasonably good I skip to step 2 but I think it's a bit FPS to start doing it for very thin value vs a relative unknown. To answer your question with Xx5-9h on the river my first thought would be to bet and I would think about the board and how I want to bet my entire range, which in this case I think I would want to bet 0.9x-1.5x pot. Unfortunately this did not occur to me during the hand Thats really cool. I wish i was better at poker lol
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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2010, 02:47:10 AM » |
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I really disagree that this spot as a stnd polarises your hand to or AIR If you have a built a range here then surely 2/3/4th nut flushes + cool merge combos like x or even .... I dont think that overshove bluffing/value betting is +EV at all in spots where you're polarized. Generally I think with overbet river dynamic it starts with doing it for valuetown, when your opponent knows you can do it for value you balance it with bluffs and when your opponent knows you can do it with a bluff you can do it for thin value. Some time after that you do it for merge/metagame. If I think a player is reasonably good I skip to step 2 but I think it's a bit FPS to start doing it for very thin value vs a relative unknown. To answer your question with Xx5-9h on the river my first thought would be to bet and I would think about the board and how I want to bet my entire range, which in this case I think I would want to bet 0.9x-1.5x pot. Unfortunately this did not occur to me during the hand Thats really cool. I wish i was better at poker lol i wish i was james keys
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2010, 03:09:07 AM » |
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You dudes need to start speaking fecking English.............
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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2010, 05:07:31 AM » |
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You dudes need to start speaking fecking English.............
Agreed an i would call if im the other guy...........
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« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2010, 08:35:56 AM » |
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You dudes need to start speaking fecking English.............
Agreed an i would call if im the other guy........... Seeing as how he had the nuts I'm inclined to believe you.
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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2010, 10:23:58 AM » |
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You dudes need to start speaking fecking English.............
Agreed an i would call if im the other guy........... Seeing as how he had the nuts I'm inclined to believe you.
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« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2010, 10:33:39 AM » |
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I really disagree that this spot as a stnd polarises your hand to or AIR If you have a built a range here then surely 2/3/4th nut flushes + cool merge combos like x or even .... I dont think that overshove bluffing/value betting is +EV at all in spots where you're polarized. Generally I think with overbet river dynamic it starts with doing it for valuetown, when your opponent knows you can do it for value you balance it with bluffs and when your opponent knows you can do it with a bluff you can do it for thin value. Some time after that you do it for merge/metagame. If I think a player is reasonably good I skip to step 2 but I think it's a bit FPS to start doing it for very thin value vs a relative unknown. To answer your question with Xx5-9h on the river my first thought would be to bet and I would think about the board and how I want to bet my entire range, which in this case I think I would want to bet 0.9x-1.5x pot. Unfortunately this did not occur to me during the hand Thats really cool. I wish i was better at poker lol i wish i was james keys +1,000,000
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« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2010, 02:24:41 PM » |
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You dudes need to start speaking fecking English.............
Agreed an i would call if im the other guy........... Seeing as how he had the nuts I'm inclined to believe you. AGREED
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