River decision

[JK]

£20 comp at Sheffield G (casinoments). It's a £20 freeze with a £20 add-on, (7+7). We're in for the full 14k and have 20k at 100/200.

Villain limps UTG playing 14k (hasn't added on), 5 more limpers (lol casinos). We check the BB with Q3ss.

Flop . Pot 1200

Sb checks to us, we check. Villain bets 200, everyone calls. We flat?*

Turn (pot 2400)

Sb checks, we check, villain checks, rest check

River (pot 2400)

Check, we lead 1175, villain snap jams 13k more. Random calls all in for a bowl. We?


Initial instinct was to fold. Is this ever that bad? Was thinking of check raising the flop, but didn't want to bloat the pot OOP when I know we never take it down. Would jam turn if villain isn't the flop aggressor as everyone else is playing 2-7k, but didn't know how strong he was.

Thoughts on line? B/F or B/C river?

[piestack]

bet more on river, fold to shove.

[Solaris]

c/r flop would have been awful. I would be donking the turn a large % of the time to build the pot. Never ceases to amaze me how everyone will call a flop bet then it checks round on the turn.

Villains line is so utterly retarded I'm leaning towards a call. Does he ever shove with the nuts in this spot? I'm struggling to give him a hand range that beats us. He could often turn up with worse flushes and occasionally KQ if he's retarded which is why I think it's a call. Obv your not getting the odds to call but I call it off anyway and just sigh muck if he actually does have us beat.

I do think this is a super read dependent hand however.

[JK]

No reads really. I asked him if he'd had the addon and he said no which I think means he may shove a little wider.

What range do we give villain limping UTG? Suited connectors? Suited Ax? Suited cards?

Wouldn't a smaller bet be better ad we can potentially can get called in more than 1 spot?

[muckthenuts]

What range do we give villain limping UTG? Suited connectors? Suited Ax? Suited cards?

It's live, he has an absolute clusterfuck of a range hands. Agree not to c/r the flop.

As played not folding ever.

[GreekStein]

Was trying to come to a sensible/rational decision but lol live opponent means you can't.

[cambridgealex]

perhaps i was being majorly results orientated when i said to you it's a fold. having said that, even the dumbest of live opponents dont snap shove a straight here in a multiway pot oop when the flush gets there. his limping ftg range here is mostly suited aces, suited kings perhaps. the flushes we beat are stuff like 75ss 46ss which ya he'd probs limp but dunno about snapshove. probs just a cooler.   

[Solaris]

perhaps i was being majorly results orientated when i said to you it's a fold. having said that, even the dumbest of live opponents dont snap shove a straight here in a multiway pot oop when the flush gets there. his limping ftg range here is mostly suited aces, suited kings perhaps. the flushes we beat are stuff like 75ss 46ss which ya he'd probs limp but dunno about snapshove. probs just a cooler.   

Yes they do.

It's a 20 quid comp, they shove all sorts of crap on the river.

[George2Loose]

He never has straight. He has a flush. Question is whether we beat his frush. We probably don't but I still call innit

[GreekStein]

Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful

[George2Loose]

Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful

They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8

[GreekStein]

Lol some of the people that play these comps are so bad they would happily shove j8 here. U kinda need a read on what he looks like too imo. how he handles chips, protects his cards etc are all kinda useful

They never fold J8 but in these kinda comps they don't shove J8

Wrong.

Some do.

[JK]

Youngish guy who seemed to know everyone. Riffling chips. I'd literally been at the table 1 hand after a table break so no notes. I think the fact he's leading 200 on a pretty wet board 6 ways shows he isn't a great player

[paulhouk03]

Folding is bad IMO
20£ comP with 3 rd nuts is good enough to be calling here
Open shover has a pretty big value jam range That we beat

Play cash in casinos also mtts are painful for smallish amount of money for first

[MANTIS01]

I agree with the chap who described villain's range as an absolute clusterfuck. Therefore call. Extra confidence from the fact villain snap jams. Having made the effort to go all the way to the casino villain would rub his chin in thought and sigh jam if he had the nuts. Especially with multiple players behind.