So who wants to fold this?

[Nem]

Am I missing something here? Are we not hu not againts 4 other players?

[WellChief]

What is going on??

[mikkyT]

So the original question is exactly the same then. How do I get my one remaining opponent to get his chips in the middle.

He said "ALL". Different.

[TightEnd]

 

dubai, you have potential sir!

[thetank]

I want a mathematical explanation as to why u dont want a call.

He says

"More than happy to take 800 chips uncontested at this point."

Why?

2,080 chips if you win the pot when you're not called

3,185 chips when you're called the the 4 times out of 5 your AA holds

0 chips when you're called and outdrawn.

IMHO the extra 1,105 chips will not add 25% to your tournament equity at this point. Hence me being happy with the fold. Trust me on this one, re-raise all-in with your AA on the bubble.

[mikkyT]

Quote from: WellChief on Today at 02:46:03 am
Is this a joke?

That was a pretty accurate statement.

The original question should have been. How do i get ALL my opponents chips in the middle here?

The above quote is whats going on. Dubai moved the goalposts on us

[WellChief]

So the original question is exactly the same then. How do I get my one remaining opponent to get his chips in the middle.

He said "ALL". Different.

er he meant all his chips.

[Dubai]

Tank trust me on this one. You want a call.

[Newmanseye]

Ok I misread his post, or what he ment anyways.  You still move in regardless.

[thetank]

Tank trust me on this one. You want a call.

Mon then with some maths to back that up in this 50/30/20 prize structure.
I'd be interested.

[Newmanseye]

I want a mathematical explanation as to why u dont want a call.

He says

"More than happy to take 800 chips uncontested at this point."

Why?

2,080 chips if you win the pot when you're not called

3,185 chips when you're called the the 4 times out of 5 your AA holds

0 chips when you're called and outdrawn.

IMHO the extra 1,105 chips will not add 20% to your tournament equity at this point. Hence me being happy with the fold. Trust me on this one, re-raise all-in with your AA on the bubble.

 

[thetank]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not cursing the poker gods when I get a call but you do better in the long run when he folds here.
After the bubble, you want a call every time with AA.

[Dubai]

The value or the extra 1100 odd chips in terms of the use you can make of them is so huge at this stage. Particularly with it being 4 handed. You also have to consider the potential of a further double up, instead of being on 4000 you are now on nearly 6400. Its about the potential the extra chips can give you in terms of breathing space and aggression. Instead of having a managable stack, you now have a playable stack. If your skill level is higher than your opponents than any +EV situation results in a greater future +EV because of the use you put to the chips.

[Wardonkey]

Move in. You'll get a call, and you want it, it's a quarter of his stack and he's getting 2-1.

The extra 1,000 chips give you a much greater chance of bringing back first prize.

[ifm]

The value or the extra 1100 odd chips in terms of the use you can make of them is so huge at this stage. Particularly with it being 4 handed. You also have to consider the potential of a further double up, instead of being on 4000 you are now on nearly 6400. Its about the potential the extra chips can give you in terms of breathing space and aggression. Instead of having a managable stack, you now have a playable stack. If your skill level is higher than your opponents than any +EV situation results in a greater future +EV because of the use you put to the chips.

I'm with you here