thoughts on 6m playing styles 100bb deep- changing optimality?

[AlexMartin]

ok im losing, have been for about a month now. im reconsidering the conventional 22/18 style given the propensity of good preflop players, plus some of the stuff some great players have told me recently. I also saw a sick thread on 2+2 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/brag-really-beating-6-max-1000-nl-games-655028/ and iv been well informed this guy is playing a really unconventional style. With everyone knowing preflop positional ranges/ 3b/4b/sqz to a decent level, perhaps a pretty loose passive game preflop coupled with a decent postflop (and SLAG- check that agg factor) could be super optimal. Obv some solid tricky tag's literally crush (dan rudd mbn) but id like some thoughts. Might even do a january challenge to test it out playing 28/10 or something.

[doubleup]

a) I don't think he does play loose passive - think it is a level.

b) one month obv nothing

c) Do you actually look at who is in the games you are playing and say "my money is coming from doing x when he does y"?  If not why would you think a radical change would be sucessful?

[AlexMartin]

I do agree that sometimes excess aggression forces opponents to play pretty much correctly. However I don't think taking up open-limping is the answer. Flat instead of 3bet a bit and see how a few hands play out, I've recently tried stopping 3betting almost entirely. On day one of the DTD £1k I only 3bet once, with Q3o, and it didn't get through. On the whole tho flatting seemed to work well and I won a lot of chips owning people in position postflop, I only blew up on Day 2.

edit: Oh and lol @ "optimality". Hope it catches on.

[810ofclubs]

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[Cottonbud]

Flat instead of 3bet a bit and see how a few hands play out, I've recently tried stopping 3betting almost entirely. On day one of the DTD £1k I only 3bet once, with Q3o, and it didn't get through. On the whole tho flatting seemed to work well and I won a lot of chips owning people in position postflop, I only blew up on Day 2.

I bring this into my game against players that never fold to 3bets, I like to flat them in position and float them alot. They eventually get tilted and want to check-raise/shove the turn with Gutshots, flush draws, air the usual and this is the times when I usually have it. The thing that fascinates me is everyone cbets now 100% even into like 3 callers with air without reading the flop texture correctly or without thinking about players calling ranges, this is an old move imo. I think checking back strong and weak hands in position is something you should definately bring into your game to balance your ranges. Also fwiw I think 3betting is still a profitable play just aslong as its against the right villain and you have position.