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Topic: Staking deals and markup. Discussion? (Read 33301 times)
cambridgealex
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Re: Staking deals and markup. Discussion?
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March 07, 2012, 02:57:45 PM »
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2012, 02:56:32 PM
would happily crossbook aaron or any other blonde vs wiggleworth at max 5k
Same. Dunno who Aaron is.
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Quote from: AndrewT on March 07, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
Staking has improved immeasurably - at least now people only sell 100% of themselves at most.
i tried to sell 200% of myself at 0.5 but it didnt sell for somereason
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Lol Andrew, i can think if one player that was given the entry fee by his sponsor for the EPT final in Monte Carlo one year but lost the cash punting with it. He then re sold the whole 100% of himself to get the stake together again. Off he went to Monte Carlo to play when the only thing he could not afford to do was cash in the event!
Knowing he had no intention of cashing he was still swapping 3% with other players in the hotel before it started too.
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March 07, 2012, 03:07:01 PM »
Whats our thoughts on...
Somebody selling pieces on facebook and then removing the status once sold out (usually selling out in 5-10 minutes) and v.reguarly busting super early and getting all in with very bad hands in deepstacks.
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Re: Staking deals and markup. Discussion?
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Well, let's put it this way. A quick way to make 200 quid a week is to sell 100% of your action in a 200 event to 2 totally different sets of people.
Play the game with a view to not cashing and you have made 200.
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March 07, 2012, 03:27:47 PM »
Quote from: tikay on March 07, 2012, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: The Camel on March 07, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
I don't play as much poker as I used to, and I use staking as a way of keeping a tiny bit of action in asome comps.
I have three criteria I use when I stake someone:
1. I trust the person implicitly
2. I like them.
3. I feel the stake is good value for me.
The smaller the stake, the less importance 3 has. If I was putting up £500 or so, 3 would be very important, but still not as important as 1 or 2.
For £100 or so, 3 is almost irrelevant.
Although definitely mathmatically unsound, my system has served me well and I do pretty well staking!
Is that code for "tikay, please sell me some of your action?"
Although you might qualify under point 3, Points 1 and 2 mean..
"I'm Out"
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Quote from: The Camel on March 07, 2012, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: tikay on March 07, 2012, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: The Camel on March 07, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
I don't play as much poker as I used to, and I use staking as a way of keeping a tiny bit of action in asome comps.
I have three criteria I use when I stake someone:
1. I trust the person implicitly
2. I like them.
3. I feel the stake is good value for me.
The smaller the stake, the less importance 3 has. If I was putting up £500 or so, 3 would be very important, but still not as important as 1 or 2.
For £100 or so, 3 is almost irrelevant.
Although definitely mathmatically unsound, my system has served me well and I do pretty well staking!
Is that code for "tikay, please sell me some of your action?"
Although you might qualify under point 3, Points 1 and 2 mean..
"I'm Out"
"might qualify" under Part One is actually quite a result......
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Re: Staking deals and markup. Discussion?
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March 07, 2012, 03:33:05 PM »
Quote from: AndrewT on March 07, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
Staking has improved immeasurably - at least now people only sell 100% of themselves at most.
You always do so much win. If you had a Hendon Mob it'd be endless list of threads were you've come 1st
Quote from: pleno1 on March 07, 2012, 03:07:01 PM
Whats our thoughts on...
Somebody selling pieces on facebook and then removing the status once sold out (usually selling out in 5-10 minutes) and v.reguarly busting super early and getting all in with very bad hands in deepstacks.
douchetastic? most likely a current or soon to be scammer? Sure is to be trusted.
Tonnes of good points have been made about values and why people stake and back. Every time it becomes specific though someone somewhere gets upset and feels insulted. The person who sets the stake sets the markup, if he doesn't sell out he priced it wrong. If he snap sells out did he price it incorrectly? that depends on why he priced it how he did + how you view 'the correct price'. Is that to maximise his own income or to maximise the punt for his backers or to fall somewhere in between?
I honestly don't think alot of people actually understood the 70/30 stakebacks deals but then again those deals are more community ventures than specific +ev stakes.
Part of staking is people trying to take +ev punts and a large part is people trying to play an event that's out of their roll, the community spirit on blonde particularly makes it alot easier. Having said that I don't think it's right for the seller to be selling at the absolutely maximum of the markup he thinks he can charge just to try and get the largest % of his buyin paid, that doesn't quite work with the community spirit aspect of why alot of people back.
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March 07, 2012, 05:43:57 PM »
Quote from: bobby1 on March 07, 2012, 03:11:06 PM
Well, let's put it this way. A quick way to make 200 quid a week is to sell 100% of your action in a 200 event to 2 totally different sets of people.
Play the game with a view to not cashing and you have made 200.
from what I hear the dutch guy did this in the EPT and won it, but had sold 105%, then did a runner!! never been seen since!
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March 07, 2012, 05:47:10 PM »
Quote from: jack2off on March 07, 2012, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: bobby1 on March 07, 2012, 03:11:06 PM
Well, let's put it this way. A quick way to make 200 quid a week is to sell 100% of your action in a 200 event to 2 totally different sets of people.
Play the game with a view to not cashing and you have made 200.
from what I hear the dutch guy did this in the EPT and won it, but had sold 105%, then did a runner!! never been seen since!
Not quite true. He's still about:
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=120392
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Re: Staking deals and markup. Discussion?
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March 07, 2012, 05:52:53 PM »
Quote from: jack2off on March 07, 2012, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: bobby1 on March 07, 2012, 03:11:06 PM
Well, let's put it this way. A quick way to make 200 quid a week is to sell 100% of your action in a 200 event to 2 totally different sets of people.
Play the game with a view to not cashing and you have made 200.
from what I hear the dutch guy did this in the EPT and won it, but had sold 105%, then did a runner!! never been seen since!
He re-appeared recently, Mr Q, as he periodically seems to.
I believe he was involved in a legal dispute with 2+2 Forums, having (allegedly) taken a "copycat" domain name. I believe 2+2 won the case, & were awarded symbolic damages.
I'll try & find a link for you.
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There you go, see "Two Plus Two Lawsuit", near ther bottom.
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I am told he is a quite splendid chap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Boyd
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Re: Staking deals and markup. Discussion?
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Reply #118 on:
March 07, 2012, 06:00:15 PM »
Quote from: George2Loose on March 07, 2012, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: jack2off on March 07, 2012, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: bobby1 on March 07, 2012, 03:11:06 PM
Well, let's put it this way. A quick way to make 200 quid a week is to sell 100% of your action in a 200 event to 2 totally different sets of people.
Play the game with a view to not cashing and you have made 200.
from what I hear the dutch guy did this in the EPT and won it, but had sold 105%, then did a runner!! never been seen since!
Not quite true. He's still about:
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=120392
He posts pretty much daily on 2+2 too.
I'm not sure what exactly happened but from what I understand, he sold for an EPT that he didn't play. Before he'd returned any funds, he went and played another and had sold separately for that. Backers from the previous thought their stakes had been rolled over and then he won x amount and it was a big fuck up.
If he had oversold intentionally, he wouldn't have made the money.
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Re: Staking deals and markup. Discussion?
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March 07, 2012, 06:01:15 PM »
Quote from: tikay on March 07, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: jack2off on March 07, 2012, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: bobby1 on March 07, 2012, 03:11:06 PM
Well, let's put it this way. A quick way to make 200 quid a week is to sell 100% of your action in a 200 event to 2 totally different sets of people.
Play the game with a view to not cashing and you have made 200.
from what I hear the dutch guy did this in the EPT and won it, but had sold 105%, then did a runner!! never been seen since!
He re-appeared recently, Mr Q, as he periodically seems to.
I believe he was involved in a legal dispute with 2+2 Forums, having (allegedly) taken a "copycat" domain name. I believe 2+2 won the case, & were awarded symbolic damages.
I'll try & find a link for you.
Tony, why are you posting about Dutch Boyd when everyone else is talking about Constant Rijkenberg?
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