This hand has bothered me for a while!!!

[wsopin07]

Honestly wsopin07 you aren't happy with the 4k in this pot. It would be like jumping into a Ferrari and being happy tootling at 30mph. You are 6-handed, you have the 4th best starting hand in poker, you are blind on blind, and you are up against a potentially tilting oppo. You will HAVE to use your chips sooner or later and a situation better than this will almost certainly not arrive before you get blinded away....so you are not happy taking the blinds here. The bb could have AK or AQ or any other inferior hand to yours, so what? We can't worry about the ways we could loose this hand before we even begin. We need to look at ways to maximise this opportunity....and pushing isn't it (particularly because you have a tight image).

A standard raise from you gives the bb the chance to make a mistake with the hands you mention by pushing. By pushing yourself you take this possibilty away and that in itself is a mistake. When you say you are happy to take the 4k what you really mean is that you are happy to avoid conflict with a powerful hand. And that is something you need to look at that.

Point taken....sometimes u just get a feeling and go w/ it....so let me ask u this....in this situation would u rather have  or 

At this point in the comp I like to play hands very different than most people would....I want to make my decisions and go w/ them...thats a lot of pressure to put on the BB and I think he is likely to make a mistake given the last 30 minutes of play.....

[Royal Flush]

I would rather the JJ.



I am not passing JJ here pre, ever. I don't understand why you want to pass it?

[wsopin07]

I would rather the JJ.



I am not passing JJ here pre, ever. I don't understand why you want to pass it?

I dont...thats why I pushed....if I get reraised...and I call off my stack....not feeling so good about it if he has something like  or  ...I am going to feel like I made him play the hand....if he calls my allin he made the mistake if I lose....

[totalise]

thats a lot of pressure to put on the BB and I think he is likely to make a mistake given the last 30 minutes of play.....

I dont like this purely because you are restricting the liklihood of them making a mistake, and forcing them to make a mistake based on the cards they have been dealt... whereas if you make a non-allin raise, you let them make a mistake based on the dynamics of the hand (ie, they can ship it in with 9/10s thinkin you are stealing)

Removing peoples illusion of fold-equity removes a lot of hands that they will play in this spot, and you dont want to tighten their range up given the spot you are in at the mo, you want it as wide as possible.

[wsopin07]

thats a lot of pressure to put on the BB and I think he is likely to make a mistake given the last 30 minutes of play.....

I dont like this purely because you are restricting the liklihood of them making a mistake, and forcing them to make a mistake based on the cards they have been dealt... whereas if you make a non-allin raise, you let them make a mistake based on the dynamics of the hand (ie, they can ship it in with 9/10s thinkin you are stealing)

Removing peoples illusion of fold-equity removes a lot of hands that they will play in this spot, and you dont want to tighten their range up given the spot you are in at the mo, you want it as wide as possible.

 

[MANTIS01]

God only knows I am an advocate of alternative thought, but on this occasion I am failing to see any positives in pushing. No matter how you dress-up the all-in it is always going to be a massive 43k bet. Whether the bb thinks you're at it or not is irrelevant when you push...because he wont be able to call. He might want to call with A-9 but he wont...like you say it's a lot of pressure. People are itching to stack it over the top of rasises in these sorts of situations, especially if they've lost a few pots. They do not want to call all-in with marginal hands.

I dont...thats why I pushed....if I get reraised...and I call off my stack....not feeling so good about it

Any hand that would call this bet will re-raise you pre-flop so the chips would go in anyway. Doing this takes all the play away from the bb and this doesn't take advantage of the situation or the strength of your hand.

[cooker3]

Wow I really dislike a push a lot here and well completely agree with mantis

[wsopin07]

God only knows I am an advocate of alternative thought, but on this occasion I am failing to see any positives in pushing. No matter how you dress-up the all-in it is always going to be a massive 43k bet. Whether the bb thinks you're at it or not is irrelevant when you push...because he wont be able to call. He might want to call with A-9 but he wont...like you say it's a lot of pressure. People are itching to stack it over the top of rasises in these sorts of situations, especially if they've lost a few pots. They do not want to call all-in with marginal hands.

I dont...thats why I pushed....if I get reraised...and I call off my stack....not feeling so good about it

Any hand that would call this bet will re-raise you pre-flop so the chips would go in anyway. Doing this takes all the play away from the bb and this doesn't take advantage of the situation or the strength of your hand.

 ...I have 2 say...i agree w/ this.....I guess I was trying to create a situation that was already created for me.........does that make sense???

[Ironside]

flushy at this stage of a comp i dont wanted to be playing out of the sb

obviously with a big hand i dont want to pass it eitehr so i would just get the chips in the middle

at try and get those valueable dead chips

obviously if i do it often enough the BB is going to defend with alot less than premium hands like A9 and 88 become fight back hands  and i much prefer that to putting in a standard raise getting called and finding myself out of postion on a board with an over card on it

[Royal Flush]

flushy at this stage of a comp i dont wanted to be playing out of the sb

Why? It's hard to get outplayed when you have a premium

[Ironside]

maybe i just not experianced enough yet out of the sb

i do find that pushing alot from the sb gets me plenty of action from non-believers in the bb with smaller hands

[bobby1]

Playing a $1,500 buyin preliminary event at the Cesars Classic in Oct of 2007....250 or so runners.....1st prize is $120K + a $10K seat to main event......

-Down to 19 players (25 was the $$$ I think)
-3 tables of 7,7,6
- Just moved to this table about 30 minutes prior....played 1 hand  vs Miami John's  ....my  holds and I am just above average at 43K

Blinds 800/1600 w/ 200.....and the following hand takes place!

-It is folded 2 me in the SB, I look down and find  ....................................I have 43K ave is 38K or so...we are in the money.....

-BB was on 65K but he has lost a few hands since I got moved to the table...he now has 35K....not tilty but not real happy about what is going on......

How would u play  in this situation, remember it is 6 handed, table is playing fairly tight, your image is tight although u just moved 2 the table in the last 30 minutes....I will post whatI did after some comments....

Hi  Brian,

Hows things mate?

With 7(?) on the table there is 3800 in before any action, so your 43k is roughly 11 M. I am making it about 7k to play here coz I have enough chips not to have to push in. The 7k can a) win you the pot there b) Give him a chance to re raise as this is gonna look like a great spot to him to move in for his 35k as most of the time you wont have a hand you can call with. c) He may call with a hand he likes and you can play the flop but in his spot I think calling is a bad play(unless he does have a big hand, then he's gonna let you potentially hang yourself on the flop) , he needs to make you decide if you wanna play by moving in, if not he should pass. If he does re raise then Im calling for sure at this stage of the comp.

By pushing in you are making him fold a bad hand and a half decent hand, by raising to around 7k you give him the option to re raise you with his bad hand or his half decent hand giving you a good chance to get em all in in a good spot. If he has AK AQ or  a pair bigger than you and you lose then its just one of those hands.

[bobby1]

OK.....I like all the comments...there really is no 1 way to play this hand...it looks like a standars hand but I feel it is very important based on the # of players left...you can tell who wants to win a comp and who wants to make a final table by the way they would play this hand........I like Flushy's play because u only spend about 10K...but, I just hate to "waste" 25% of my chips this way ( I know its not a waste, just seems like it).......

What did I do.....U guessed it........

ALL IN BABY....ALL U CAN EAT....ALL IN BABY
Now...what do u expect from the BB w/ the following hands (I will assume aa and kk are going to insta call)

1) AK
2) AQ
3) AJ
4) QQ (I know, insta call)
5) TT
6) weak ace or a pair smaller that TT

I will update the result later.........

With AK, AQ, AJ QQ and TT I am calling for sure as a big % of the time your hand is weaker than this in this spot. A weak Ace I am Folding but if you had made it 7k a weak Ace might be enough for me to  move in as your play looks like a typical sb raise to take the blinds. A pair smaller than TT I think I am passing and 77 and below I deffo pass, I am not calling away my chips.

[wsopin07]

OK....so the basic feeling is I played this hand like a dork.....here is another hand from the $100 rebuy on stars the other night......what do u do w/ the  in this spot....the last 2 tables has been crazy...this is the 2nd hand of the final table.....1st prise $17K...9th is $1,200....I played the tightest tournament i had ever played .....I always had a hand at showdown....I was chipleader at the end of the rebuy w/ only $200 invested.....

I cant tell u much about the SB...we had just made the final table....I can tell u there was very aggressive play the last 30 minutes or so.....I have 59K in the BB...blinds 2K/4K  w/400

 PokerStars Game #14307902796: Tournament #71862573, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit -
Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2008/01/04 - 00:14:43 (ET)
Table '71862573 13' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: TNplayer123 (158884 in chips)
Seat 2: jusgivithere (196927 in chips)
Seat 3: mman_status (42580 in chips)
Seat 4: MrCasino (141000 in chips)
Seat 5: Bjorg009 (215272 in chips)
Seat 6: vietcong01 (91869 in chips)
Seat 7: slimshaggy (181150 in chips)
Seat 8: flopit20 (59844 in chips)
Seat 9: TheMiltMan (95474 in chips)
TNplayer123: posts the ante 400
jusgivithere: posts the ante 400
mman_status: posts the ante 400
MrCasino: posts the ante 400
Bjorg009: posts the ante 400
vietcong01: posts the ante 400
slimshaggy: posts the ante 400
flopit20: posts the ante 400
TheMiltMan: posts the ante 400
slimshaggy: posts small blind 2000
flopit20: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to flopit20 [ ]
TheMiltMan: folds
TNplayer123: folds
jusgivithere: folds
mman_status: folds
MrCasino: folds
Bjorg009: folds
vietcong01: folds
slimshaggy: raises 176750 to 180750 and is all-in
flopit20: calls 55444 and is all-in

What do u do here....are u deep enough to fold all the time....is this a spot to get some chips so u have a chance to win the comp??

[Royal Flush]

You are quite short, nothing wrong with calling here.