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DUSK TILL DAWN Poker Club Attempts Record Number of Runners!

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Dusk Till Dawn, Europe’s largest poker venue, is attempting to break the record for the largest ever poker tournament held in the UK.  The record currently stands at 730 runners, held by the EPT London.  The Dusk Till Dawn Grand Prix will take place on Friday 29th – Sunday 31st October. Players will have the option of playing Day 1A on Friday or Day 1B on Saturday, before returning to play Day 2 on Sunday.  Each person will be playing for their slice of the £40,000 guaranteed prize pool – which equates to a staggering 800 runners.  The winner will net a cool £13,000 – that’s 260 times their £50 entry fee!

Dusk Till Dawn Owner, Rob Yong, says this is the most exciting event ever to be staged at the club, although he admits setting the guarantee at 800 runners is a bit ambitious.

“We had to set it above the current UK record of 730 runners to show we are serious about breaking it.  I also wanted the buy-in to be accessible to all bankrolls, so for a modest buy-in of £50, players will get a great structure with 10,000 chips and a 45 minute clock.  With that in mind, the guaranteed £40,000 prize money means that this tournament is equivalent to a £500 entry tournament with 80 runners - so the value is simply amazing for our players.

We have made the tournament Online Buy-in Only, directly through Dusk Till Dawn’s Online Poker Room, as most of our club members already have online accounts with us.  Buying in is very straightforward, and this process means we can be better prepared for the event itself, in terms of staffing levels and player registrations.  We couldn’t cope with a queue of 800 people at our cash desk.  Our online poker room has recently migrated to a new improved banking wallet, so I am also hoping this event will help to get our players familiar with it.

I am excited but also a bit nervous.  Obviously we really hope that the event will be a success and we get as close as possible to the 730 record.  I am expecting a sizeable overlay as this is our first attempt, so anything above 500 runners would be reasonable.  However, we do have over 40,000 members, and with such good value on offer, if our members get behind this event and support us, we might get a pleasant surprise.”

REGISTRATION NOW OPEN VIA DUSK TILL DAWN’S ONLINE POKER ROOM

Dusk Till Dawn Grand Prix 2010
Friday 29th – Sunday 31st October 2010

DAY 1A   1:00pm   Friday 29th October      450 Cap
DAY 1B   1:00pm   Saturday 30th October      450 Cap
DAY 2      1:00pm   Sunday 31st October      
(Doors open at 12 noon everyday)

Buy-In:   £50 + £8 (Through Dusk Till Dawn Online Poker ONLY – No Cash Entries)
      Registration Closes 11am Friday 29th October

Prizepool:    Guaranteed £40,000 (800 runners)

Structure:    10,000 Chips, 45 Minute Clock


See www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/grandprix for full details on the event and registration

Wiiiiiiiiii.....   800 runners!

Let's do it.

Impressive stuff, & good to see Rob looking after the "regular guys" who can't or won't play the bigger stakes stuff, as per usual.

gogogogog I cant beat 1 person let's try and beat 800 weeeeeeeeeeeeee

Should be awesome. Definately playing this

Good idea, I think you should maybe consider a later starting time on Friday though if that is logistically possible, difficult I know.

Deal me in, I love a challenge and the golf season's over.

Agree with Woodsey here. Can't see 450 people taking the afternoon off work for a £50 freezeout.

Also can't understand why there's no buy in at the club? I expect this is a bluff and that you will actually allow it when the time comes but if it isn't it's just crazy.

The "we can't handle 800 at the cash desk" argument doesn't cut it because you're capped at 450 each day and you have more than that on the deepstack weekends since you've had a super 50 alongside.

Great comp though and will probably play if all the bar staff in town happen to go on strike that weekend.

Good luck DTD!!!

great posts recently from you highlight maybe a love interest is rocking with your new found confindence. Great courage at making some valid points! Impressed.............X

Good for DTD to be trying something big but I can see this being a tough one for the club. The record isn't going to be 730 for very long - theres a £100fo with a £100k guarantee at the EPT which is obv gunna smash 730 runners.

As matt said aswell - you're really gunna struggle to get people down for a £50 comp at 1pm on a friday. The buyin is aimed at exactly the kind of players that can't be there at that time. You might get a few people to travel if they can crash a mates somewhere local but people aren't gunna pay for hotels to come to a £50er.

I'm a shameless dtd fanboy so i'll obv be there, gl with it anyway

I heard that the £100k gtd EPT comp is not strictly a freezeout fwiw

To get people to deposit online and maybe at least try their site innit. Not the worst idea to get people to deposit.............

what does that mean?

it's a 100+20 fo with 1/2 the vig going to charity isn't it?

Wouldnt suprise me if Stars went out of their way to get 901 players for this £100 event everyone is talking about.

Either way good stuff from DTD, I agree about it being unlikely that 450 players will attend on friday but hope I am wrong, in that respect would have been better on a bank holiday but obv none coming up.

£100 with a £5 reg fee would be better imo especially for the friday runners. Maybe have a high rollers 1 day tourny on the sat to attract fri runners.

I think a lot of us would rather the buyin was around the £100 mark with double the guarantee. But I think £50/£40k is prob better for DTD as it limits their losses a little bit.

Very ambitious! I hope it does well and I will certainly make an effort to play. I do worry about the Friday leg though...

I've heard the ept are soind a 100 pound 100k guarantee? Dunno if it's true or not but if it is this comp won't be a record breaker sadly

Will they be holding it on the titanic george?

whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

i heard you're going to be able to buy back into the tournament once you bust but it's not a standard rebuy as such. might not be the case it was just something i heard, but would make more sense for them to guarentee a £100k this way

as in you can buy in on a later starting day?

Was planning to go to this, then realised that it clashes with the Ryder Cup.

I'm playing this.

I think there will be a big difference in the number of runners on the Friday and Saturday. If so, then will the Friday players be at a disadvantage with less chips in play?

Noooooooo!

Actually, it doesn't.  Got my days mixed up again. It DOES clash with the NFL game at Wembley though, that i'm going to...

sigh did you flunk algebra?

wiiiiiiiiiiii!

Rob Yong’s £40K GTD Grand Prix Update

 
Well, we launch our marketing campaign this week for our first attempt at breaking the record poker field by getting 800 runners into our Grand Prix event on the 29th – 31st October. We have 31 runners bought in through our online card room so far, so just 769 short of our 800 runner guarantee! I am not panicking yet, although I won’t be looking forward to the “I told you that was a crazy idea” comments should the event prove to be a flop.
 
Speaking to customers at the club, the event seems to be have been received very well, although I have been politely asking them to hurry up and register so we can get a to a respectable confirmed total as soon as possible.

Dusk Till Dawn will have been open almost 3 years to the day when we try and break this record, and it would be fantastic to do so, especially after winning the British Poker Awards a couple of weeks ago. It has been a well documented struggle with unforeseen hurdles but getting an award is great recognition for everybodys hard work connected with the club, and to host the biggest ever poker tournament in 5 weeks time would be amazing for us.
 
I will keep our members regularly updated with how the Grand Prix is progressing, and please forgive me for a few gentle reminders now and then in the club. I don’t mind asking for a bit of support on this one, as it’s like a personal idea, rather than a business one, to host this tournament.

 
Of course, it’s highly likely setting a guarantee of 800 runners will result in a pretty big overlay, something Dusk Till Dawn has been known to do pretty well on more than a few occasions. However, we also see the overlays as going directly back into our members’ pockets, and therefore the poker community. As we know, poker money has a habit of being recycled at the tables, so they are not totally bad news. I also really want us to continue pushing the boundaries in the poker industry going forward, so a few accidents along the way are inevitable!

 £50 for a 1st prize of £13,000, the option of playing day 1 on either Friday or Saturday, plus a great structure…………… I really need your support on this one as the “reasonable buy-in with a large prize pool” is a concept that I would like to develop, as well as breaking the record of course!


Cheers,

 Rob

Dusk Till Dawn

 

For full event details as well as how to register, please visit www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/grandprix

Have registered for the sat. I reeeeeally think you need try and put the start time back on the Friday a bit and play later if logistically possible. I would have regged for the Fri if I could, but its pretty much impossible for me to be at the club before 5pm.

+1

Haven't reg'd yet but probably will. Really hope this goes well for you.

Watch out for a Card-room league for October, going up in the next 24 hours, with Grand Prix added value.

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just have super late registration on fri and sat.

I'm regged now. Day 1a.

Me too Ralph.

Friday is good for locals who can get the afternoon off, but probably not so good for those that need to travel any distance.  As it's a £50 comp (guarantee and overlay notwithstanding) I can't see huge numbers travelling to play Day 1a.  Think the numbers might be very lopsided towards Day 1b.

Still, whatever is offered there'll be something to criticise/grumble about - think the event is a great idea and looking forward to it.

In on saturday.

If they moved Friday back a couple of hours I'd happily change my play date to Fri to help them out, even if it mean't missing the first 2 or 3 levels..........

I don't think they're very likely to start at 11am.




But seriously, it wouldn't be fair to have one flight finish at 4am and the other at 2am. Given the numbers they are aiming at it will need that early a start to get the numbers down on each of the starting days to a doable day 2.

why? both play the same number of levels, you just pick which flight suits you. no advantage to anyone

not too sure doing it on halloween is a good idea also

LOL, why should halloween affect the number of runners at a poker event in the UK?  Unless you're planning on going out trick-or-treating that weekend?

Blatant "I've got no kids" brag.

How many levels will be played on the 1st days?

Not everybody likes to play until 4am., so that would mean you wouldn't have a choice of days effectively.

But I suspect that you know that and just have your Shaktar hat on and fancy a little sabre-rattling.

I'm genuinely lost. how does giving someone a choice mean they don't have a choice?

If you don't want to play until 4am. then you have to play on the other day, simplez.

that's shocking logic though. it's like saying they shouldn't have 2 day 1s because if people don't want to play on the saturday then they have to play on the friday so they effectively don't have a choice of days

the whole point of choice is that people choose. adding variety is not limiting that choice (however having one of the 2 options coincide with the working hours of most of your target audience does)

ept has 850 runners so increase cap to 450 per day?

way to read the OP George

 ;marks;

I think they should make this a 1 day super turbo on the Saturday. A midday start and a 3pm start merge the fields at 6 pm. People would prob do it for the craic! 10 min clock, 10k stacks, wiiiiiiiiiii

 Would be such comedy just watching 80% of the field just blinding away to 2 bigs....

A bit of feedback from the more recreational side of poker:

In our local home game/pub scene if you consider 2 times a month at DTD (live hour and a half away) regular then I am the only DTD reg.

However 8 of our home game have been to DTD and when I told them about this they were pretty keen.

Then i told them it was register online and that any winnings would be paid into their online account rather than cash at the club.  This went down like a lead balloon.  Not sure how many of them will now register and facing the fact I could be billy no mates at the tourney!!

Can the cash out for this event be reviewed to cash/cheque paid out at the club?

I'm there tomorrow Dunc, will have a chat to Simon Trumper. Just to make him aware of the view.

cheers Rich

Rob’s £40K Grand Prix Update – 25 days to go!

 

Many club regulars will already know that we have done a deal to televise the Grand Prix and the November £300 Deepstack weekend on Virgin 1 (recently changed to Sky Channel 1) and Sky 860. The company that are filming the events, have done work for most of the major poker brands, and are talking to us about televising some of our bigger events coming up at Dusk Till Dawn, such as the £1k Grand Slam Events (starting December).

 

As it was the Grand Prix event which initially sparked an interest, this will be the first to be televised. It will be great to see some of our locals on T.V, and hopefully one of the ‘characters’ will make the final table!

 

Sigh… we now have a “massive” 81 runners bought in, so with 25 days left to enter, we need an average of 31 entries per day to break the 848 record set by Pokerstars at the EPT last week. I need your help! With the record attempt now being televised, I would like the minimum amount of egg on my face for trying this event!

 

Not surprisingly, a few of my savvy poker friends have seen this as an opportunity to make a few quid out of me by betting how many runners we will actually achieve at the Grand Prix. The general consensus is that we are going to struggle to get over 500, and I think my pride may have been getting the better of me as I have taken on some of these bets - including one quite sizable one that we will get under 600 runners!

 

This is a really fun tournament to put on. It’s not just a great structure and loads of value for £50, it’s more about having a go at something that seems unachievable. I think our largest ever field for a £50 comp is just over 300, and that was inflated because we had a Riley’s third part event the next day; quite a few players deciding to make a weekend of it.

 

Several players have questioned the 1pm start time on the Friday. To avoid an early start, we could have done a 30 minute clock or given fewer chips, but I wanted to give this event as good a structure as possible. If a player is a couple of levels late, he or she will still have plenty of chips to play. Actually, the person may have saved themselves chips by not playing the early levels and getting AA busted by J3 when the blinds are so low. As we know, some of our players such as ‘Chip Shop Frankie’ will call with any 2 cards just to Google a rock!

 

I have no shame in asking for your cooperation in getting me to a respectable number (500+ is ‘respectable’), so come on, help me out here.

 

 

Cheers Rob

Is there any other comps other than the usual schedule planned for that weekend ?

Surely a decent buy in 6max comp on the Saturday night or a £200-300 one day comp on the Sunday would encourage those looking to play higher buy ins to also support this and make a weekend of it,not sure I can justify travelling just to play a £50 comp,obv first prize is going to be decent but I can persuade myself that I could luckbox a comp with 200 people in but 500+, there's more chance the Toon will win the cup.

well registered at last.  I see it actually costs £61 to enter online!!!!

Shouldn't be a problem.

If everybody has to reg online everybody's paying the same so I'd guess that any extra cash left over after the £8 juice is deducted will just go in to the prizepool.

Similar thing happens with APAT comps when you buy in on betfair in $$

If it works out at a few quid extra they just stick it in the fund.

I just realised that this is same weekend as Derby day so I won't be there,hoping to make the 300 though.GL all and gl Rob with this hope it works out.

Not if there's a massive overlay.

good point. so as there`s almost certain to be an overlay and everyone has to buy in online that means it`s almost certain that everyone entered will be due some money back (presumably different amounts as exchange rates change?)

that`s gonna create a hell of a lot more work than allowing people to reg in cash at the club

It cost me 62 quid and a few pennies to enter online but it would be churlish to grumble. Such an overlay will make for tremendous value.

Although you never know - in true "build it and they will come" stylee, DTD might just pull it off. Methinks the TV coverage will have a positive effect on the numbers. The poker world is full of wannabe TV heroes who think they are god´s gift to poker.

I´m not expecting the extra 4 quid I paid to go back into the prize fund. I understand what DTD are trying to do on several levels and am happy to go along with it. If I managed to cash (and that´s about as likely as Forest getting promoted this year) I would have no problem having the funds in my online account. I´m only a few clicks away from retrieving it - hardly a problem really.

I wish the club well. It should be a great event and I´m already looking forward to it.

you`re happy to pay 24% juice?

In these circumstances, taking into account what DTD is trying to do, and allowing for the fact that there could be a big overlay, and not forgetting that the exchange rate could change in my favour, then yes, I for one am happy.

so if they`d announced this as a £50+12 you would`ve thought it was fine because of what they were trying to do? bonkers

not sure of your point on the exchange rate. £62 is never going to be less than £58

I'm the tightest man on the planet when it comes to rake / juice etc, but DTD isn't some faceless company run by people who don't care about anyone but the shareholders, it's my local club run by my mates.

I honestly don't think Rob has any need to run a poker club, or to cope with all the grief that it brings. I really believe that he does it simply because he loves the game and the players.

Why would he continue to foot the bill for huge overlays, if he was going to  try to rip us off for a few pounds extra juice.

Rob doesn't moan when the pendulum swings the other way, (which it often does) So yes, if the juce happens to be a bit steep in this instance, I'm happy to pay.

I`m not suggesting that rob is trying to rip anyone off. I assume that if there`s an overlay then people will get the money back so that they haven`t overpaid

I`m questioning yourself and pyso being happy to pay 24% juice if that was the case

Do you mean in addition to the reasons I gave above?

Well juice is relative. it costs just as much to field a 3 day, £50 event as it does to field a 3 day,  £3000 + £300 juice event.

Overpaid? They'll have set the € price at an earlier date. Just because it now costs £62 to deposit that amount of €s is your problem. As far as DTD are concerned you've paid £58. The £4 is lost in exchange rates. This could swing the other way too... could have cost less than £58 but in my experience buying into the deepstacks it has always ended up costing me more.

Thankfully you can now buy in to all those events on the DTD website in sterling. Doesn't seem like you can for the grand prix though.

I can live with it

It hardly matters if there is an overlay and tbh DTD look like being out of pocket anyway so to create more expense and loads of work for them for a couple of quid is not something I would want to do

It's not really a problem, and for the recreational player the level of juice isn't always a massive consideration.  Of course, we'd all like to pay less juice. I've said in the past that I'd rather play a £50+10 tournament at DTD that's fully dealer-dealt and well organised than play one at a casino where it's self-deal for a lot of the comp, even if it's juice free. 

Do all sites on the 'Boss' network do everything in Euros (in terms of the users' accounts)? 

Also registered, see you there mate

You get much more than you would in this tournament than you would in a standard £50+£5 freeze out (Possibly TV exposure, deep stack structure, mahoosive first prize, almost nailed on overlay, blonde live updates etc) so I think the juice is fair. Plus assuming that there is an overlay its probably going to pay out more like it was a £75+£5 tourney or someink anyway.

err, yes. if I want to buy in today then I have to pay more than the advertised price. how can you question that that is overpaying?

I don`t understand why if it`s going to be online buyin only it isn`t either done in sterling or made a €50+8 (is this legal)

Maybe I worded it wrong. I'm not questioning the fact that we are overpaying buying in via €. We are doing obv. But we're not overpaying as far as DTD are concerned so don't expect to be getting the extra £4 back.

And good point. If it is online only and all money goes into our online accounts then why isn't it advertised in €?

so that actually makes it irrelevant whether there`s an overlay or not. the extra isn`t going into the prize pool anyway because dtd don`t get it

to buy in I have to convert £ into € which are then converted back into £ and I have no choice but to do this

if I cash will my £ win be converted to € so that I have to convert back to £ to cash out so I lose out on 4 different currency exchanges overall? or is it paid in £ so I only lose out when buying in? I assume it`s the second option but I`m a touch confused now

As am I after reading that :)

What if you cash? Will you be getting extra when you cash out?

All is said was it cost me £61!!!!  Dont mind paying the extra juice as it is the same for everyone and agree the money is lost and there will be an overlay and I appreciate what Rob is trying to do and do hope they break the record.   Also personally dont mind the fact it is online buy in only.   Means numbers will be down (i know of 3 that arent bothering) on what they could be and means a higher overlay.  So on a personal greed note it is good!!.

Will be interesting to see if you lose out again when cashing and then withdrawing the money from your dtd account.

Would I have marketed the event differently - yes , but thats just personal opinion

I'll be honest my main concern with buying in online was always the x-rates that we are going to get.

If I buy £50 worth of $$ on stars and then cash straight out I'll probably only get £45 back.

Is it going to be the same here?

DTD won't gain anything, I won't gain anything, but will net-teller or whoever it is gain?

The cash in and cash out rates are the same at any moment in time, they will only be influenced by a change in the rate if that happens.

So whoever wins has to gamble on when's the best time to withdraw their winnings to take into account the strength of the £/€.   Just to cross-thread, when leaving a tip will they be leaving it in Euros or pounds... ;)

Is this just on DTD or are you saying stars / FT etc. are as well.

I've just checked FT. If i buy $50 right now it's going to cost me £31.53

If I withdraw the same $50 I get £31.22 back

Mmm, stars and tilt do it. Maybe DTD are different............. :dontask:

Thats about a 1% difference right? I won't lose too much sleep over that personally........

the buy in is online only, buying in is euro's only, if you cash its into ur online account  .....so why didnt they make the prizes euro's only ....seems logical and would of saved a lot of grief imho

I think stars are a little bit worse tbh.

It's not a problem I guess but if you happen to bink 1st for say 14k you lose £140. Hardly pocket change.

The way I see it is this:

The comp is advertised as £58. 1st place will be approx £14k. That's a 241x return on your money

If it actually costs £61 and you only cashout 13860 your return is 227x your buy in.

It's not insignificant. You're effectively losing 14 x £58 if you win which is £812.

None of this will stop me playing I'm just saying it's not insignificant amounts and it's all caused by the online buy in.

OKAY.

1. £8 REG FEE LESS GAMING TAX = A BOWL OF RICE FOR DUSK TILL DAWN FOR DEALING A 45 MINUTE CLOCK WITH 10K CHIPS FOR 3 DAYS

2. 99% OF AN OVERLAY I THINK

3. NICK HAS SAID TO ME THAT IF ANYONE WANTS THEIR £2 BACK DUE TO EXCHANGE RATE MOVEMENTS HE WILL REFUND IT, GIVE HIM A NUDGE ON THE DAY YOU PLAY AND HE WILL SORT IT

4. SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE HAVE LOST £20K ON EXCHANGE RATE MOVEMENTS FROM ONLINE SATELITTES ALONE, IN SIMPLE TERMS, THAT HAS GONE TO THE PLAYERS

5. AGREED, IF WE EVER DO THIS AGAIN, NEXT TIME WE SET GTE AND REG FEE IN EUROS

HONESTLY GUYS, I FIND SOME OF THESE COMMENTS A BIT ANNOYING, I DON'T GET A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND FORCE YOU TO COME TO THE CLUB DO I, ITS A FREE WORLD, ANYONE WOULD THINK I KNEW THE EXCHANGE RATES WOULD CHANGE.

HAPPY DAYS.

ROB

PS. NICK, ALEX AND TRUMPS WILL PROBABLY GIVE ME A BOLLOCKING FOR POSTING THIS, BUT **** IT.

well said

Well put Rob, I can understand your frustration. I think people forget how lucky we are to have DTD. I know the juice on this event might technically be a bit steep but people are missing the point. It´s a free market economy - if it bothers you that much just don´t play (although missing that kind of relative value would be madness for any decent player).

Don´t let the negativity put you off Rob. You still have the best and most forward thinking card room in Europe. And grumpy poker players aren´t the best barometers of reason, lol.

Poorly said

I think most who have questioned the event are on the whole the ones who are squarely behind Rob and DTD and many of those have said they're playing the comp because it's an excellent idea, with a great structure, etc.  I know I think it's going to be an excellent comp (that's why I was the second person to register for Day 1a). 

It is a free-market, and people will play if they want and stay away if they don't want to.  I don't think anyone on this thread wishes anything other than success for this comp and for DTD in general.  I don't think it's "grumpy poker players" having a whinge for the sake of it.  I'd much prefer it if this event met the guarantee, as it would help towards keeping the place going.  Rob's mentioned that the overlays are a form of marketing for the club, and that's a valid point.  But the money for the overlays has to come from somewhere and it might not be a great thing for the people who play at the club regularly in the long-term.  Rob probably knows far better than any of us with regards how to run a poker club - he's done it.  I love the place, which is why I'm there every weekend. 

I assume I was part of that and I sincerely apologise. My comments were not intended to insult or offend.

I was looking at it from a purely mathematical viewpoint and didn't intend to have a dig at DTD.

I love DTD and will be there tonight, tomorrow, Sunday and for the grands prix. If I get drunk I might bluff off a few hundred to you again on the 2/5 ;)

Cheers

Matt

Also I would happily pay £12 to play the grands prix, never mind 8. It doesn't take a genius to work out that even if you forget about the potential overlay that this comp is a financial loser from the outset.

Assume minimum wage for a dealer. 45 dealers per day 1 for 8 hours (comp lasts longer but the number required moves between 45 and 10 through the day so this would be a reasonable guess) = 720hrs = £4320

800 players = £6400

Don't really need to look at day 2, TDs, floor staff, valets, extra bar staff etc. to know that the £2100 left over ain't going far.

None of this takes gaming duty in to account either or any of the associated costs of the club being there in the first place.

I'll be honest from a rough calculation I'd be surprised if any comp other than the 300, 150 and the odd festival event covers itself.

I'm still really tempted to ask Nick for my 2 quid and put it towards a JD though. Will he see the funny side?

Ban matt from DTD imo. He hates DTD.

i would play but dont want to put money onto a site just to buy in to this event, and am i hearing right that you will be paid online too?

Sigh....

Lol

why?

its a valid point that im sure more people will think the same. I played on dtd, didnt like the software so got rid of account.

Yes and Yes

the "Sigh LOL" is because there is a seven page thread already discussing it...this one!

p.s It's not that onerous to deposit and then (when you win) withdraw online. DTD Online needs support too, accepting that you might not like the software as you say.

wish i had never mentioned it cost me 61 quid now!!

err, seriously, what? unless I`ve missed something no-one`s criticised dtd and no-one`s being grumpy. all that`s happened is a few genuine concerns have been raised which presumably rob agrees with as he`s said they`ll change it for next time

too many people get blinkered and defensive on blonde when something at dtd is questioned. sadly that`s more likely to lead to any problems being ignored than it is to an improvement

+10000000

Poker players really are the biggest group of whining MOFO's out there, never foooking happy........

People do realise that if they get less than 650 runners, this will effectively be a £62 less £y comp and not a £50 plus anything comp don't they? 

You sure Tighty?
Hasn't there been numerous posts about how difficult/awkward the cashier is for dtd online?

An unusually poor post from Rob on this one.
As far as I can tell people are not moaning, just posting on how to get as many people to enter the club as possible, and support DTD. The end of Robs post basically tells people to gtfo. That'll get the numbers up!!

I'm not sure why entry is not also available via the DTD shop online.

After all it does state there that you must have a DTD online cardroom account when registering.

I get the idea of having people open an online account.  Really I do.  DTD have a business to run and even if only a small percent of the new accounts start playing on DTD after - it's helped the online card room.  Result.  But this is a whole other animal.

I just think with something of this scale where you are trying to attract a record breaking crowd to the club, you've effectively defeated yourself before you ever get started.  By placing barriers in the way of the attempt, you've cut at least 20% off your total runners on the day...and possibly more. 

You've some who just don't do computers.  I know it's an alien concept to everyone reading this, but they're out there.  And then you've others who just about get around surfing, but not in a month of Sundays would they attempt to download and set up an account for anything. 

Then you've the lazy/stubborn lot.  They either can't be arsed because they prefer playing live and see no point in adding online poker to their computer, or they already have a 'home' for their online play and won't add more. 

It bites.  For sure.  But you have to be realistic.  If you want to reach the record setting goal, setting up limitations is very definitely not the way to go.  As you know, I live too far away and have to make a serious effort every time I go to DTD.  In the grand scheme of things I don't really count towards the club's business.  Just pointing out how I see it as the 'outsider looking in' because I'd really like to see you smash this one out of the park.  And right now I can't see it.

You might be right, but its probably worth their while investing some money in an overlay in order to get a new bunch of new customers trying and possibly playing regularly on their site in the longer run. The ones whining about doing it are never going to play on their site anyway, so why should they accommodate them? They are a small vocal minority anyway.

They are better off trying to attract a chunk of the majority of players that are willing to play online to have a crack on their site and possibly end up being regular customers. The online site is clearly a big area of potential growth for them and this tournament is obviously a tool to increase business in that area. Its clear that having the biggest UK tournament isn't really the prime aim here, it is in fact a great tool for reaching out for new online players, think big picture and all that..............

For what its worth I was a whiner about the software etc, but after a few nights play I'm totally used to it. The games are softer than other sites too, so in a time where games are much tougher its worth spreading your wings away from the big sites which are full of solid grinders..............

Good luck to DTD I hope they achieve their goals.............

And I agree with what you're saying as well.  It's a tricky one.

I suppose the question is - what is genuinely the goal?  If this is just a 'boost online activity' exercise - well then they've a good shot of gaining a few more players.  If it was truly to smash a live venue record - they've got a problem.  Rob has come up with something that could be really special for the club.  They just need to come up with something separate (but equally special) for the online brand at some point.  Unfortunately I think combining the pair will hinder the goals of the OP. 

FFS Woodsey would you please get a grip!!

Nobody's whining about this at all.

All people have done on here is highlight the practicalities of the situation.

I think Dawn's post is excellent btw.

Sorry mate but I disagree..............

Fair enough :)

No point playing ping pong internet arguments when you just know we ain't going to agree...... :D

this

you seem to be starting an argument in an empty room

If the idea is to get people in to the cardroom then how about offering an incentive to all grand prix entrants to register an account?

Rather than force people to do it if they want to play wouldn't it be better to offer something as a "thanks for playing" type of thing.

People who point blank refuse to sign up for account aren't going to no matter what happens. By forcing the online buy in only you're ruling them out of the comp altogether.

Some may sign up, reg for the comp and then never play again.

Would it be a good incentive to offer new sign ups their reg fee credited to their online account if they open one?

There's potentially 900 people in the club of which a few hundred won't have a dtd online account. Stick flyers on every table offering a free tenner if you reg a new account using the sign up code "grand prix". You know the sort of thing.

This way people aren't being forced, they are being encouraged.

Disclaimer: This is not a whinge. This is intended to be constructive. I don't mind buying in online and have in fact done so several times. I will be buying in for the DTD grand prix online.

FYP

^^^ LOL George......... ;D

Looooooooooooool!!!

 rotflmfao  NH George, WP 

Guys (and Laxie),

Chill out guys, the logic with this tourney was it was targeted at our Super 50 players, we have 5000+ unique players that have played a £50 event at Dusk Till Dawn, paying out a 1st prize of £13,000 is pretty cool at this level of buy-in.

87% of Super 50 players ALREADY have online accounts, most of them use these accounts for satelittes into bigger events such as the £300 events, DTD Tour etc etc so increasing online sign ups is not the objective, or we would have targeted a different customer and also put in a promotion like rake X FPP's and get extra chips (like the IPO) or maybe rake XXX and play juice free etc etc

Apart from the damn exchange rate, online buy-in works really well because people either have money online already, can buy paysafe cards at the club, or have already registered their card online.

I don't think we would ever be able open an event up like this to direct club buy-in, we want to know how many staff we are gonna need to control our costs, plus making players who live 1hr+ away travel to the club (its amazing that 80% of our weekly regular customers come from outside of 30+ miles, to get 800, we are going to have to pull from 60 miles+) just to make sure they get a seat is a hassle, and the last thing i would ever want is 600 players turning up on Saturday to buy-in, and having to turn 200 people away. Our online system links direct into our tourney system, it runs so slick, and because people can use paysafe cards (available to purchase in 100-'s of places), those without a bankers card can register no problem, which you cannot do over web site buy-in.

I said when we first launched the event, that 500+ runners would be okay for our first attempt (but i was pretty confident inside that we would beat 730 as I knew that we had +5000 £50 players on our database), to be fair, we are on schedule to do 500 - 600 based on average registrations over the last 7 days, we are at 137 with 21 days to go, I think its gonna be close, poker players generally do everything last minute.

Nick has said anyone who has paid £2 quid extra juice for the comp can get it back off him/cashier (whatever Nick arranges) on the day.

Players are getting a £300 deepstack structure for a cheap price, its a pretty good deal overall.

Only thing that annoyed me is the exchange rate, Nick and Simon did say GTE the comp and set the buy-in in Euros, but I said our players prefer to see amounts in £££, so its totally my error, however, moaning about £2 when Nick has already said he will refund it to anyone does get on my nerves, as imagine if the exchange rate had gone the other way and we asked people for an extra £2 quid on the day!

Hope this explains everything, this event is like my own personal project, Nick and Simon thought I was barmy to do it, as its so costly to deal and £50 players generally don't play a lot of cash games, especially with this 45min 10k chip structure.

Now please do me a big favour, get bought in because I have got roped into £14k of side bets on us beating the record (which was 730 when I made the bet), but it is now 848, like a plonker I did not specify the amount, just to beat the record, and when I spoke to Pokerstars, they only had 178 entered in the EPT London, and said they were worried whether they would even hit 500 (due to all events before theirs in London), so i never thought to specifiy the bet to 738!


Cheers Rob

Glass of wine raised to ya this minute from the quiet of County Cork.  Sounds like you're more on track than I expected.  Really truly want ye to smash the record and hoping for nothing but the best for ye.  xx

Hi All

On Monday we will reset the Grand Prix buy in at €66 , usually any events are set up a month in advance and left with the chance of small fluctuations but clearly in this case where there has been a 5% swing it is too much , the actual rate today is 1.146 so buy in should be €66.5 . all those that paid €70 will receive a €4 refund.

Cheers

ACES

Just get Matt to the club a bit more on your table at the £2/5 cash games and you'll get that money in no time ;)

I've learnt to never take out moire than 1k when I'm going to be drinking insane amounts of alcohol.

He'll have to get me there 14 times.

Hi Ralph

Its due to the payouts we can only pay players who have registered via the poker room, the shop is ran via our own bank.

cheers

So Friday now starts later.

Dusk Till Dawn Grand Prix 2010
Friday 29th – Sunday 31st October 2010

Day 1A   4:00pm - Friday 29th October
(Doors open at 2pm)   450 Cap
Day 1B   1:00pm - Saturday 30th October
(Doors open at 11am)   450 Cap
Day 2   1:00pm - Sunday 31st October
(Doors open at 11am)   450

Nick, or anyone , can someone just clarify something for me with payment for 3 of my lazy sods of mates who are part of the 5000 database (plus 70 miles distance) but at the moment cant be ##### to enter online and to be honest I cant really be arsed to keep pushing them.

I understand they can use paysafe to pay, but what happens to any winnings if they use that method, what do they withdraw winnings from their online account to? The paysafe Card?  I dont know, I dont know how that works.

Also if i do finally get them register and you beat the record by 1 or 2 what percentage of the 14k you win in side bets can i claim :)  

All the best with the attempt Rob, really love coming to the club even if it is only once or twice a month at best and as a definite recreational fish of a player its great to get a low buy in deepstack 2 day event that is only really offered elsewhere by APAT, but with the guarantee on offer to me at a 50-100 quid level it HAS to be THE tournament to play this year  

I have enough shite trying to organise a pub tourney every couple of weeks so cant imagine the stress organising something 1000 fold bigger.

It surprised and disappointed me the amount of apathy I got locally in direct opposition to my own enthusiasm when i said you need to buy in online, something that has never been a problem for me personally and indeed my preferred method living so far away in ensuring that I dont miss out by finding out a tourney is full by the time i get to Nottingham  (Nothing ever beats receiving your winnings over the counter mind!!).  If someone can clarify account withdrawal procedure if paying by paysafe I will throw the paysafe option at them this week as a last attempt after that I will give up and just attend by myself.

is there any plans for online sats to this? havent seen any.   surely would get the numbers up

Satalites to a £50 game? I really don't see there being much interest tbh mate.

Why not???   Apat do sats to their £75 events

Sky to sats to SPT events, they even do £2 super sats to the sats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it increases numbers why not?

why do the payouts have to be online though? is the answer as simple as the fact that you won't be holding the cash because people aren't using it to buyin?

and a question for you or rob. I understand rob's reasoning for not wating people buying in at the club on the day but would it not be possible if you do anything similar in the future to allow cash buyins at the club but with a cutoff date that's the same as the one online so you know how many you're catering for?

Hi All

this has now been done and all players have been re registered for the reduced €66 buy in.

good luck

Hi

Players will have the option to cashout to there current bank account via wire transfer.

good luck

FWIW i find it more of a pain going to a cash point and withdrawing cash, then waiting in a Q for 10 minutes to buy in at the desk. When i can deposit money online and just click an entry in about 1 minute 13 seconds and spend the time i saved productivly.

[ ] happens

I reg'd for this last night.

Think it worked out at about £57.73

If Nick wants the 27p tell him to give me a tap on the shoulder next time I'm in.

regging tomorrow. looking forward to it.

I always look forward to regging too.

What is regging?

Is it like dogging?

lol, i regged yesterday, no idea, must of been a typo. staying in plaza, anyone stayed here before? supposedly has swimming pool, spa etc

Apparently jonlundy's place does too

[ ] its been well used

Park Plaza ? if so then yes it's fine, use it regularly

or possibly Crowne Plaza.  both nice

forgot that one, yes both OK, think the Park Plaza edges it in terms of rooms and the Crowne Plaza has better amenities but either are fine

Robs Grand Prix Update

 

Well, the numbers are looking a bit more respectable now at 254 with 15 days to go. We never actually anticipated we’d have this many signed up at this stage, and the registrations per day are getting higher each day. There are players entering from every part of the UK, even as far as Scotland, eyeing the £13,000 winner’s prize, for a modest investment of £50 + £8.

 

I have been asked why we are planning on running a 45 minute clock for a £50 tournament. This is not like a normal £50 tournament. People are playing for a £40,000 prize pool, equivalent to a £500 buy-in event with 80 runners, so I wanted to give as good a structure as possible. This is the first time we’ll be running an event like this, so I’m sure if we decide to repeat it, there will be certain tweaks and changes. Like everything we have done at Dusk Till Dawn, we constantly try and improve things, often by trial and error!

 

We have changed the start time on Friday’s day 1A to 4pm. Some of you wanted to play Friday, but didn’t want to take the whole day off from work. This is hopefully now possible with a slightly later start time. Saturday’s Day 1B, is still set to a 1pm start time, as is Day 2.

 

Usually, when online tournaments are set up this far in advance, they are done so with the chance of small fluctuations in the exchange rate. As the exchange rate has moved 5% since the tournament was set up, we have refunded €4 to all players that bought in at the initial price of €70. The entry fee is now set at €66, to ensure that players are still paying the right amount. We are working with our software providers to offer tournament buy-ins in GB Pounds in the near future, so hopefully any movements in exchange rates will not be a problem if we decide to repeat this type of event in the future.

 

On a final note, we will be announcing our annual £1000 event shortly. We’re aiming for another televised event, which will fall on Friday December 17th – Sunday December 19th. We have a few extra things to finalise beforehand, as this is almost certain to be televised on one of the main terrestrial TV channels, as part of a longer term project that we are working on.

 

Cheers Rob

 

+1 but I don't tend to spend time productively! I do like signing in online then arriving at the club to have a drink and watch the queue though!

Paul.

Or buying in online, and then getting a call just before the tournament starts from someone asking you to buy them in.  So you have to queue anyway.... sigh.

will the comp finish on the sun guys?

R u gonna have a ' the winner has to take 2000£ more than 2nd for the deal?' Type thing

Would be pretty bad tv if it just ended cos they did a chop.

Just a thought

what tournies are on the sun? saw monda suggesting a £200 6max? one timeeeee?

379 reg'd for Saturday so far. It was 306 this time yesterday.

Anybody wanting to play this on the Saturday best pull their finger out and get it booked because it'll be sold out in the next day or 2.

excellent...good to hear.

Day1b is expected to sell out tomorrow, according to DTD

Yep, Day 1b is 426 and Day 1a is 167. Its mostly travelling players in Day 1b as you would expect, will probably sell out tonight.

Looking like a 900 sell out now according to my projections, there are loads of locals that are playing but have not bought in yet, TV will needs plenty of space and we want players to be able to eat and drink in comfort, so Nick have sorted the marquee out for the full duration.

Thanks for your support

Rob

Never believed it would happen.

Glad Im already in!

Well done Rob and co.

Brilliant - well done!

will the cash games be 1/2 nl minimum on the day?

Day 1B now sold out!!

I'm in I'm in, na na na na na.  ;nana;


(http://i55.tinypic.com/20gbfdh.jpg)

Yep all sold out for Day1B

We will be removing day 1B tomorrow from the poker lobby and getting all the players into the club tournament system over the weekend.


Good luck to all and thanks for your support it's going to be a great weekend.

Nick

What if someone wants to unreg? gg?

We will have to do it manaully small price to pay to get 450 uploaded in advance.......................

1a up to 212 already. 50 entries since 8pm last night. I think you're right about the sellout at that rate. Amazing stuff.

How are you going to cram 450 people into the smoking area in the breaks, that's the crucial question! :)

I doubt that will be the case.  It's a £50 tournament, so not having .50/1 cash games would put off a lot from playing cash.  I'm sure the rake from .50/1 isn't far from what the 1/2 generates (could be completely wrong here), and if there's enough room and enough dealers I'm sure the idea will be to get as many cash games going as possible.  I think it's only on the £300 weekends that there aren't any .50/1 games.  I'm sure Simon or someone else will confirm though.

I'm thinking the cash games might be very good that weekend :D

I was thinking that too
There will be soooo much scared money.

Hi guys....does anyone know how much in £s I need to deposit online to cover the 66 euro buyin for this comp...Cheers

Just deposit enough to cover it plus a touch extra and withdraw the remnants after. It really is easy peasy to do...........

a little bit extra than ????

Say you deposit £60 and it works out at 70 euros, all you do then is withdraw what is left over after registering. Saves you working it out down to the absolute pence.

a little extra coz of the £/euro fluctuation....the event is £58 so deposit £60 to be safe...if u deposited the £58 and the exchange rate went the wrong way u might be a few cents short

Don't do what i did, deposit £56 and have to spin it up

disagree, do this and win 10x buy in.

Deposit exactly £58.

If it's not enough moan like f**k about how ridiculous having to buy in online is and demand that Nick Whitten gives you 2 quid.

and a free dinner

£60 it is then...Cheers

708 total now... looking like a 900 sell out. If so how many will be paid? Payout structure is only defined for up to 674 runners on the website

Hi All

We only had 177 players bought in for the Grand Prix last Monday , we now have 757 so just 143 seats remaining.

Saturday sold out at 450 yesterday so all seats left are for day 1a Friday 31st October at 4pm.

Using our 2 day £300 Deepstack structure 10,000 chips 45 minute clock buy in is just £50 + £8 with £40,000 guaranteed.

This will be an amazing tournament to play in.

On target to sell out tomorrow.

ACES

Absolutely DELIGHTED for ya Lads!!  Didn't see it happening to be honest.  But as usual, Rob & Co. make the impossible possible.  Well done and have a great week-end everyone!!!

does anyone know what time they planning on playing till on the saturday??  and will they get it finished by sunday with such a big field ??

If Simon says it will finish on Sunday, it will finish on Sunday. (If you ask him nicely, he'll tell you what time)

lol  thanks for that.  mr simon u think it end sunday and what sort of time do you estimate, if thats possible cheers mate.

Simon/Rob,

Will there be a seat exchange if any people cannot play or will they just have to unreg? Will there be a reserve list?

Cheers

As of now, with 342 in for 1A, they're 8 off hitting the guarantee. Complete sell out by tomorrow morning, I reckon.

What a fabulous achievement, real ground-breaking stuff.

Looks like Rob is going to clean up and win all of his bets on this too.

He's not afraid to put his money where his mouth is.  Bet he's feeling good now 8)

Really looking forward to this.  Hope I don't donk out in the second level or something stupid now.

FYP

WP to all at DTD, this surely must give the team plenty more ideas for future events.

guys, there are only 87 seats left, we cannot take any more than 450 players per day, if anyone knows of any long serving DTD or BP members that wanted to play this event but have not got round to buying in yet, please let them know asap as i think it will be sold out today now cheers rob

Well done on this Rob! Fantastic achievement!

I personally didn't think this would be a success as it was online buy in only but OBV you saw something we didn't and providing a very good structured comp for what is a small buy in comp nowadays!

Grats and enjoy collecting ur side bets ;)

Will you be allowing alternates on the 2 starting days?

Surely it would be nice to push the record as much as possible assuming you achieve it of course.

Huge congrats so far whatever happens.

I honestly didn't think it was possible but I was clearly very wrong. Well done.

Kitchen staff gonna be well busy baking lots of humble pies!

Maybe they'll only want to beat it by a small amount so they can put on another bigger and better event as a follow up to this obvious success.

An incredible achievement, but one which was never in doubt.

The worst thing anyone can say to Rob Yong is "you can't".

No , there will be £0.50 £1 on offer too.

ACES

I have reduced the structure to 12 levels day 1 , Friday will finish 2.05am , Saturday 11.05pm

Sunday will finish around 3am.

Congrats Simon, Nick and Rob.

I was wondering this as well, but I suspect that it'll be hard pushed to finish before stupid-o-clock on Monday morning as it is, with the deep and long structure and 900 players. Any bigger must require a third day, surely.

Total players now 835 (as of 1:52pm, going up by 1 every 2 or 3 mins at the mo). 848 was the target set by EPT I believe? I'm about 3 miles from center of Nottingham, do you think I'll hear Rob whooping from here? :)

We can't seat alternates as players have to buy in online and registration closes when the cap is hit.

What if the cap is hit then 100 un reg?

Based on current stats there are at least 500 to 1000 players who are going to miss out so if we have seats become available we could sell them very quickly . I am sure over the next week support will be inundated with players wanting to go on a waiting list in case of drop outs but let's be honest who is going to want to not be part of this amazing event ?

I meant once the cap is hit the reg doesn't close for good? It reopens to the next on the list?

Sir Trevor McDonald?

Congrats to Rob and all at DTD.

Rob Yong, YOU CAN'T buy me an Audi R8

Just hit 849. Fairly sure I heard a vague echo from the West,

stuff the doubters...

 ;cheerleader; ;cupcake; ;yippee; ;tightend; ;applause; ;applause;

QFT

bit harsh on simon and nick. pretty sure they had a lot to do with it being a success

It wasn't them I was talking about. It was us lot :)

Where's it being televised btw?

On telly.......

I lolled.

Television

When we opened to club, we invested in a TV table with hole cameras, a TV lighting rig and various cabling to make the club TV friendly, but apart for third party events and a bit of web streaming on our site, we have never filmed any of our own tournaments as the cost is around £30K - £40K per event.  A couple of months ago a TV gaming production company called Casino tv approached us for some poker content to go on Virgin 1 and Sky 860, we have agreed a deal to televise 5 events at Dusk Till Dawn over the coming months, which will be broadcast on Virgin 1 and Sky 860, and probably  a third channel. To be honest, I think they had already planned to do this in a venue in London, which would make more sense as they are based in London, but when they saw how easy it was to film at our club, that may have swung it. I think the viewing figures average around 200,000 on Virgin 1 at the time when the show will be broadcast, which is pretty decent as far as poker shows go, so will be great to see some of our regulars on TV, especially if they make the final table. The events agreed so far to televise are:

29th – 31 October   £50 Grand Prix (GTE £40K)

6th – 7th November   £300 Deepstack (GTE £100K)

16th – 19th December   £1000 Event (details to be confirmed)

The TV company ideally wanted a £100K prize pool for the November £300 deepstack, we could have increased the buy-in to £500 rather than try and get more runners, but that would have been too easy, so we are sticking with £300 and keeping our fingers crossed, it would be amazing to get both these events rocking for our first every televised events at the club.

VIP Room

Most of our members have noticed the VIP room has been ripped to bits and is having a new fit out, can I confirm that we are definitely NOT putting Blackjack and Roulette tables in there, I must have had 100+ people ask me that! We are just putting 3 -4 cash tables in there for higher limits, our version of Bobbys Room at the Bellagio, and therefore giving it a makeover, plus we want to make it TV friendly. Over the last 6 months Simon Trumper has been arranging bigger and bigger games at the club, and we feel that the next step is to have a dedicated area for these games. I play in the NL games regularly, and the games are getting bigger and bigger, especially at Deepstack weekends, we do have some very good players who have worked there way up to these stakes from the 50p £1 in the club, I have been trying to bust them but they are too good!

I hope this update helps,

Cheers Rob

i cried

And SOLD. well done to everyone at DTD.

FANtastic stuff - wonderful.

Fair play to Rob, Nick, & Simon, they hammered away at it, exploiting every angle & opening, bang bang bang.

But fair play to Tighty, too, who more than done his bit. Every little helps.

Who could have predicted this ?

A £50 tournament guaranteed at 800 players would hit its cap of 900 and sell out with a week to go !

We are delighted at the response and the backing of the poker community in acheiving this amazing turnout , for the lucky ones that have got in we are sure next weekend will be an amazing experience and look forward to welcoming you to Dusk Till Dawn.

Can't wait to announce shuffle up and deal to the first 450 players next Friday.

Cheers

ACES

;sark; ;yippee; ;sark; ;yippee;

So glad I bought in this morning :)

WD Rob and his Team at DtD

Missed out!

Any chance of opening this up to 1000!?

If you are going to break a 3 figure record, you are better making the new 1 a 4 figure record!!

Amazing.

I'm the first to admit that I didn't think this would work. I expected 700 runners maximum mainly because of the Friday thing.

I think changing the start time to 4pm has made a big difference but looking at it now who can say for sure?

My thinking wasn't based on any stats though, just a guess and it's clear now that these low buy in weekend comps have incredible potential.

I guess you only have to look at APAT to know that a low buy in 2 day comp can sell out weeks in advance. Why did I think DTD would be any different particularly given the number of runners they've had in recent weekend comps?

I suppose the next plan will be a bank holiday weekend 3 starting day comp to try to break the IPO UK record.

Good luck with that one. I won't be betting against it.

i concur, stick some tables in the smoking area and the car park, fk it rent out nando's aswell

That actually would be awesome, I think its doable now too. I also didn't think they would quite make it, only because Stars managed to raise the bar at the last minute, but this has clearly has indicated not only could they break the record, with more tables they could have totally pulverised it, there clearly is more than enough demand.

I reckon Easter bank holiday next year, £100 comp, three day 1s and go for 1500 - I reckon Rob & co can do that with their hands tied behind their backs.

Add another day on the Thursday imo, have to go for the 1k+

Anyone who has to drop out on the Friday let me know as my mate is gutted at missing out.

Ireland is in the UK?

Bet that would go down well in Dublin!

Geography was never my strongest subject.

Whatever record it is the IPO have then. Biggest comp outside of the US or whatever.

One time get drawn on mama g's left and get put on the tv tarb! Might dye my hair again for the occasion!!

One time get drawn on a table on the valet's route to the bar for easy interceptions.

Table 31 for u then!

One time to be on a table closeish to the bar so I can get my own drinks, it will be quicker than waiting for a valet with close to 500 people in the room...........

Shouldn't be a problem mate as they obv know how many to cater for so Should put sufficient number of staff on! That's one of the reasons it Was online buy in only wasn't it?

Hopefully I won't be on a table full of pricks who think this is the wsop ME.its the Main reason I hated the super 50

Shotgun not being free-rolled like usual please.

drinks on Sat night anyone?

bump? just asked support and they said no tournament on Sat or Sun?

can i set up my own stall outside ur building selling my famous fish & chips.... please.

only 4 friday, saturday & sunday.. i will pay u 20% commission from my taking.

lool.

well done rob, simon, nick and every1 at dtd

do you think there will be some 6 max cash during the grand prix

IS IT


Yes please!

Happy to be made to look stupid, as I thought 600 was about what it would get.

Got one thing right though as I was one of the first few who entered, so feel slightly less stupid now! I shall be there on Friday for the start, really looking forward to it :)

Well done to DTD, fekin amazing!

thanks for that simon. cheers mate.

great to see its a complete sellout ,cant wait , such a brilliant comp !!! just shows how great a poker club dtd is when me and a few of my mates are prepared to travel 120 miles from hull to play at such a superb,organized efficent welll run club,

Hull isn't that bad is it?

^^^Yes, I was in hull yesterday :-(

It's Never Dull in Hull

Searched Google Images for a picture of an attractive female wearing a t-shirt with this on.....

failed

Can DTD publish the payout structure in advance given you know there are 900 runners? Be nice to know, as the plasmas only ever show 1-9. And this page (http://www.dusktilldawnpokerclub.com/tournamentpayout.php) doesn't really cover it. Ta.

pull up the tournament in the schedule page and "view result" for a fair idea

http://www.dusktilldawnpokerclub.com/resultplayers.php?id=1779

Didnt i read it was £13k gaurenteed 1st prize?
That payout shows £10k up top.
Granted thats still awesome for a £50 comp, but pretty sure i saw that above.

Anyone confirm?

Don't think they ever mentioned a guaranteed first prize.

The prize pool was guaranteed at £40k meaning an estimated first prize of £13k

Looks a fairly flat payout to me though I must say. Would much rather see less paid and more money up top.

I know Rob mentioned this comp being the equivalent of a £500 buy in 80 runner comp. Why not base the payouts on 80 runners so that it really is?

Now that would be fun.

erm, because that's stupid

Doubt it.  The cash tables are already 8-max and just sit at one of them with someone who's an uber-nit and someone who goes for a fag every few minutes and there you go - a 6-max table!

i remember in the old tribeca days when tourneys just had 27 or 18 players that pay out regardeless of field size.

Surely a man of your gambling pedigree would agree?

Scrap the prizes from 28 out, complete waste of time.
Use that money to bulk up top 9.

Im still determined to instigate a comp with a reverse payout structure one day.

Christ, I only asked, didn't want to start an argument :). Seems like a pretty standard MTT payout structure to me.

winner takes all imo

winner takes all would be beyond epic!

and u wouldnt be able to deal because dtd allow no savers for the bubble

Just out of interest, you know those tournaments (GUKPT Champion of Champions was one, i seem to recall) where the players choose a payout structure from a list of options, most popular pick is chosen?

Would be interesting to see that tried in one of these.

The result?...i would suggest in a 900 runner field that may pay 90, the option offering to pay 150-180 (say) would win hands down

No it's stupid.

i would say 70% of the field playing the £50 are leisure players that don't mind if they cash or not,  where 30% are people going to win and win only

top 50 would of been nice as the jump from 9th £600 to 1st £10k is just silly

Rob's weekly Update

The Grand Prix, the New Monte Carlo and £54K in Online Satellites

Well, against most people's predictions, including mine, the Grand Prix sold out at 900 players with 8 days to go.

Since then, we have been inundated with requests to increase the field by adding an extra Day 1 on Thursday. However, the 45 minute clock and 10,000 chip structure means that we wouldn't finish at a suitable time for the filming, or for our gaming licence.

Looking at the emails to our support team and in the club, this event was oversubscribed by as least 400 – 500 players. This obviously means a field of 1300 – 1500 people is possible for us in the future. For now, I want to see how we cope with the 900 guests over Friday - Sunday, before we look at doing this type of event again. The Norwegian Poker Championships, and the Pokerstars UKIPT were big events, but the Grand Prix will be the most demanding so far due the sheer amount of entries in the tournament. We estimate Saturday could see us having over 800 people in the building; it's a good job that we have been able to get the marquee at short notice!

Events such as the Grand Prix and Monte Carlo are important. We need to keep the interest levels up, especially after now being open for 3 years. When we hold a bigger buy-in event, we always try and give our regular day to day customers the chance to qualify. £1090 for the Monte Carlo Event is a lot of money in this current economic climate, so we are guaranteeing 50 Monte Carlo seats in online satellites, worth over £54,000. These will commence 5 weeks before the event itself, so people can plan to take time off work if they qualify. Day 1 is on a Friday.

There has been a big focus on our weekend events over the last few weeks, adopting the Grand Prix model, giving players big prize pools for lower buy-ins. We do know that the weekday evening tournaments also need to be freshened up, so from Wednesday 10th November, a new evening schedule will commence. Details will follow shortly.

Thanks again to everyone that has supported the Grand Prix. We are all very proud to be on course (provided everyone turns up) to break the UK record on our first attempt. We set the guarantee higher than the number of players we thought we would get, so it's been a great surprise to sell out at our 900 cap so quickly. It's given us all at Dusk Till Dawn a boost!

Cheers, Rob

Of course it's stupid. Most fun things are.

I can appreciate not accepting alternates to control numbers, but would you resell seats of non attendees after say 2 hours of no show?

And ftr, yes my plans have now changed and I can now make it but I didn't buy in!

Reselling seats would assist in ensuring the record is broken, and I'm thinking Friday. ;0)

someone at Gala was thinking about selling his seat on the saturday cos his friend did not  get a seat and he did not want to go anymore

Just seen the payout structure.

Big sigh that you have to beat 893 people to make more than a bag :(

If i havent got 5x average by the first break im off to the cash games.  ;djinn;

You wont be able to see but the first break. Lunch?

It would also be of great interest to see this put forward for APAT too.

Popadopkin, how many we got for this piss up thing. I mean im still game if we have a good few, and are planning on going out when we all bust etc. but just means i need to book a hotel for sat night.

How about Frankie n Bennys before hand. Food will only soak up beer mid session. Plus dtd food menu is a bit poop. Meet there say 12? or later if you want, 25/50 level can gtfo :D

You need to beat a lot more than that to win 20x your buy in at the World Series.

If the prizes don't suit you that may be because you entered the wrong tournament?

At the moment is seems like it might be just the three of us getting on it.  :( Sure we can recruit some more on the day.

Mmmmm, I am happy with 12, but will double confirm when I wake up Saturday morning. On a mad one Friday night.

Stop at mine if you wish.

Mattu 12 o'clock lunch?
Anyone else?

No chance. Will be out with the hound.

Bump this question - do dtd have an official line yet?

why would it be any different to any other tournament? you don't sell someone's seat just cos they've not showed up after 2 hours

This.

Also how would it affect the record?

The record stands at 832 or thereabouts. There's 900 registered hence the record will be 900.

If they don't show up I'm pretty sure they still count.

I'm pretty sure that stacks get removed after a few hours if no one is sat behind them, at least they do in gukpts

OK, well I gotta pick Carla up from train station on the way to DTD, so if anyone else fancys joining us for Lunch at 12 pop along.

Will drink accordingly through the day then, if we end up going out ill prob take u up on your offer Stu.

Carla?

Goddard. She roped me into it. Im too kind you see.

FYP

suggestion for rob is a comp held over 3 weekends with 1800 runners

week 1 saturday 1a
week 1 sunday day 1b


week 2 saturday 1c
week  2 sunday 1d


week 3 saturday day 2
week 3 sunday day 3 (FT)

£75 buy in possible prize pool of £135k

love to see you try this shatter the records

all i need is someone to speak to ryanair and get the flights to EMA back from the north of scotland

He knows who you mean you plank. It was just his way of saying ok enjoy ur lunch

Pick me up mitch pls
I will lend u old boy if u do

Not driving now, getting a lift so i can get smashed and not incur a drink driving ban.

Meeting us for food Paul?

Nah sorry
Getting there on time will be hard enough for me

[ ] great idea

Seen a lot worse, it could work..........

would never ever work and i'd be surprised to see more than 350 and thats with good marketing.

Most said the same about this weeks event............

why not go the whole hog and have the final in 2020

the final on a different day? two lots of expenses, 2 weekends off wor, 2 weekends away from the missus. etc etc etc

For such a big prize pool it could.

Now your being silly  :) Pretty sure you would play anyway ;D

wsop me have a longer wait but they also include two lots of expenses, 2 weekends off wor, 2 weekends away from the missus. etc etc etc

and that worked

wsop me - 9m first prize full of professionals

dtd £75 - mostly amateurs

Hence the first prize would be worth it for most........

obv jsutpissing about

you only play 1 day instead of 3 for the first week you go down
2nd time you go down you have a much better chance of a good pay day

first weekend 1 day away is alot easier to swing with a partner than 3 nights

all those playing, post how you get on on this thread please

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50377.msg1254528#new

Is there free wireless at DTD? I'd post updates from my phone, but unless it's on wireless it's a fairly painful speed. WEP/WPA key needed?

unfortunately not for punters afaik :(

You prepared a rap for tighty to video?

Words to include.....

Jelly, spanner, snow and Take That.

That's the only actual complaint I have against the place actually! There's multiple wireless connections there but still have to use 3G! :(

Not if you borrow a laptop.

No good for browsing the internet on my phone at the table!

Wireless is something i'd quite happily pay a pound for if it helps cover the cost of it (which won't be much!)! I imagine most will be happy to pay that every day but I don't really see any practical way of implementing such a system! :(

It's not difficult to implement such a system at all.

The system they have provides sufficient bandwidth for all of their laptops. If they start letting everyone on their network they will need more bandwidth which means more WAPs. The potential number of users also means they may need more bandwidth coming in to the building.

A quid won't cover this.

couple of quid a day should  cover the costs if they got 15-20 a month using it
easy to set up a 24 hour pass