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Title: hand from the 5 million Post by: Ironside on March 07, 2011, 11:25:13 PM been at the table about 10 minutes and looking for a spot to steal some chips when daddy isnt envolved or a hand to dbl with against daddy who is exercising his stack in over half the pots i've been at the table
this is first hand its been folded to me when i am not in EP so put in a standard raise and get called by SB who checks the flop how much should i c-bet ? just under 4000 of the 60000 runners remain PokerStars Game #58788278111: Tournament #409020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2011/03/07 2:44:45 WET [2011/03/06 21:44:45 ET] Table '409020010 851' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: J. Cimone (236309 in chips) Seat 2: boondock1219 (501339 in chips) Seat 3: applefruit (144737 in chips) Seat 4: Rassich (71746 in chips) Seat 5: Ironside (98434 in chips) Seat 6: FIL HELMET (142884 in chips) Seat 7: Maddy's Papa (90212 in chips) Seat 8: Robins1 (200169 in chips) Seat 9: EhampDiner (136678 in chips) J. Cimone: posts the ante 800 boondock1219: posts the ante 800 applefruit: posts the ante 800 Rassich: posts the ante 800 Ironside: posts the ante 800 FIL HELMET: posts the ante 800 Maddy's Papa: posts the ante 800 Robins1: posts the ante 800 EhampDiner: posts the ante 800 Robins1: posts small blind 4000 EhampDiner: posts big blind 8000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [Js Kh] NutCrackerAA [observer] said, "?" J. Cimone: folds IainLondon [observer] said, "maybe i am satan???? never thought of that. dam" boondock1219: folds applefruit: folds Rassich: folds NutCrackerAA [observer] said, "Gator who?" Ironside: raises 10000 to 18000 FIL HELMET: folds Maddy's Papa: folds Robins1: calls 14000 EhampDiner: folds *** FLOP *** [As 3c 6h] Robins1: checks Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: celtic on March 07, 2011, 11:32:29 PM Shouldn't we just be shoving pre?
Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: George2Loose on March 07, 2011, 11:32:43 PM um is this really that difficult ironside?
Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: George2Loose on March 07, 2011, 11:33:25 PM Shouldn't we just be shoving pre? Oh and this- didnt realise how shallow you were- jam pre or fold Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 12:07:55 AM i am never sure of that stack sizes 10-15 bigs is it always a shove pre?
under 10 i was jamming um is this really that difficult ironside? i c -bet and guy on rail (blonde) said the c bet of 24k was too big and didnt leave me enough to jam turn 55k thinking if you guys think i should of jammed pre as played i should of jammed flop Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: George2Loose on March 08, 2011, 12:08:59 AM If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn
Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 12:13:20 AM If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn i had a brain fart think i murdered the hand but adraineline was rushing as i am a $11 player not a $215 i was thinking he might have called with a weak ace and fold turn but looking back over hand i doubt he could Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: The Camel on March 08, 2011, 12:31:57 AM If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn i had a brain fart think i murdered the hand but adraineline was rushing as i am a $11 player not a $215 i was thinking he might have called with a weak ace and fold turn but looking back over hand i doubt he could That tournament was in effect a freeroll Iron. If you can beat $11 tournaments, you were definitely +ev in that. The general standard of play was abysmal. Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 12:43:38 AM If he calls flop we probs shouldnt be jamming turn i had a brain fart think i murdered the hand but adraineline was rushing as i am a $11 player not a $215 i was thinking he might have called with a weak ace and fold turn but looking back over hand i doubt he could That tournament was in effect a freeroll Iron. If you can beat $11 tournaments, you were definitely +ev in that. The general standard of play was abysmal. it might have been a freeroll ffs even i mini cashed but 215$ buy in was a large chunk of my roll which i wouldnt normally play ffs i even think twice before playing a $22 freeze then pull out but then i dont think twice of playing a £20 rebuy or £300 live comp dont know why i am so timid online Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Longy on March 08, 2011, 01:02:31 AM Shove pre.
When there are antes in play you should be adjusting your shoving range to how much there is in the pot. In this case there is 19200 in the pot. So the bb is in effect 12.8k. So in this hand we have just over 7bbs and kj in the hijack is a clear shove. A quick trick in game to working out the adjusted blinds with antes in play, is that you can work out the adjusted sb by dividing the pot by 3. I do this in my head but if your mental arithmetic isn't quick just have a calculator ready when grinding. Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 01:38:19 AM thanks guys
lesson learnt as it happens wouldnt have made a difference as he would of called pre and was never going to fold at any staage but next time its shove pre only asked as i was told after hand by a reg poster on here that i should have bet less on flop if i was going to shove turn Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: pleno1 on March 08, 2011, 01:41:51 AM i think there was a time when you had 10bbs and you minraised instead of shoved they folded andyou showed AK andwe talked about future and you said you wanted to minraise in future, did this have any bearing on hand?
like i said on msn if u decide to bet this flop, you have to check turn. Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: pleno1 on March 08, 2011, 01:55:40 AM and in general, id rather cbet small and jam turns as semi bluffs rather than bet medium, jam medium.
Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 01:57:06 AM yeah think shoving was what i should of been doing
think i had around the same amount of blinds with teh AK with 10 bigs or below i shove normally i had a plan and never stuck to it ideally i was bet winning the pot pre i was folding to the 3 bet pre and i hadnt a clue when the sb flatted and forgot it could mean he was uber strong and read weak Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Cf on March 08, 2011, 02:13:43 AM A quick trick in game to working out the adjusted blinds with antes in play, is that you can work out the adjusted sb by dividing the pot by 3. I do this in my head but if your mental arithmetic isn't quick just have a calculator ready when grinding. That's a nice way of doing it. Cheers :) Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: action man on March 08, 2011, 05:29:06 AM bet 16k-19k on flop
Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: SuuPRlim on March 08, 2011, 06:22:49 PM Shouldn't we just be shoving pre? bet 16k-19k on flop yup yup. and once he calls the flop he's made his mind to go with the hand imo Title: Re: hand from the 5 million Post by: Ironside on March 08, 2011, 09:02:01 PM Adrenaline was rushing brain was farting
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