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playing $10/$25 at the RIO.

Button has straddled to $50

BB peels, one limp, I call  6s 7s, H-J limps, BTN chks.

Flop comes  Ks Qs 4h. ($260)

chks to me I lead for  $200

H-J calls, SB calls all other fold.

Turn  3d ($860)

I bet $750 H-J calls, SB folds.

River  Js ($2360)

I bet $725 with ~$2,000 behind (he covers easily) he raises to $2,000
I call.

I hadnt played with him long, he was ~25 years old, was french canadian and was wearing a baseball cap and earphones, seemed shrewd.

Thoughts?

Looks fine till river, not sure what sort of hands he is raising with that would of called flop and turn, any 2 pair or sets would call with showdown value so he either has it, or turned hand into a bluff representing a.flush

i prefer like 425-550 if we're gonna snap river, but everybody is turning decent showdowns into bluffs these days so he can easil y have AsJx or something. I guess I call but I'm not thrilled by any means.

I wouldn't play in a game with a button straddle (the dynamics are so different) and if I had to I wouldn't be limping in ep.

I looked at the steaks again n had a nosebleed..couldn't read on..lol

this is kind of interesting topic actually. In the games I play regually at home missisipi straddles play so im pretty used to it, you're right though it does throw some pretty interesting dynamics up.

I think in games where you can missisipi straddle its DEFO +EV to straddle the button and as long as you have a weakish playing OTB i think the CO as well, I just can't work out in my head if it improves the game or not, it defo makes preflop more passive and as a result people make smaller but more frequent mistakes. I dont know

in this hand im MP after 2 limps, not advocating a fold surely?

you cant fold coz you played this hand to make a flush so take your medicine or take the money.

timing tell on all 3 streets?

If I was straddling the button I would be raising limpers fairly wide - if you aren't going to do this what is the point in straddling?  If the btn isnt doing this obv limping ok.

I've only played with a btn straddle once, so have no idea really what ppl do in practice.

Probs find a fold on zee rivar

I think he has it almost always. He doesn't get to the river with much air, I don't think he ever has a straight and I don't think he raises sets for value.

The only hands that he should really ever call flop, call turn with here are  9s Ts and  Aspades Ts imo. With your turn sizing I think he should be folding all of his naked flush draws. Your hand looks sooooo like a set/KQ. I think if he's competent he's gunna realise that you're probably not folding any blank rivers with your flop and turn sizing (which I think are really good) so he'll just sigh and let it go on the turn with  8s 9s.

Even if he still peels every flush draw combo on the turn turn you still have to fold river. Sometimes he'll have the old  2s 3s but you are behind to most spade combos and I can't see him really having anything but a flush here

This is a sick strange hand! Love it.

Your repping a really strong made hand. With the third bullet fired and the bet sizing as ir is, he's going to really struggle putting you on a flush draw I'd have thought. (But then at these stakes who knows what level of thinking is going on.)

With this in mind, I think there's a possibility for villain to have top or middle set here (very unlikely due to the limp pre obv but who knows) he could easily put your range on the lower set/two pair and actually be raising for value.

But he more than likely is on a decent flush eh. Maybe not nut flush, as I'd have thought he would have raised your flop bet. I don't think he'd fold  8s 9s, implied odds are decent considering your bet sizes point towards a non flush hand.

Just my opinion anyway. Ta

Cool hand.

Does he call turn with a10s or 910s?

Not sure he calls those hands when we only have 2k back.

French canadian....the clues are there

I'm not on the btn, I'm in MP after 2 people have limped with  6s 7s....

called both streets pretty quickly.

My sizing on the turn was designed entriely to fold out  8s 9s /  8s Ts and some queens. once he's called the turn I was going to chk fold non spade rivers as his hand prolly is strong enough to bluff catch and he has decent made hands in his range as well (KQ etc) I think I have enough immeadiate equity vs a range dominated by decent K's to bet this turn for value anyways.

I think the river is misplayed, I think he raises As Ts a %on the flop and and KQ/KJ etc are prolly not folding to a decent-ish river bet, my thoguht process was to bet small and let him turn K9/AJ with a spade etc into a bluff but I don't really like it on reflection

Yeah mate, but some people including very good players would not fold this turn even if u potted it. Could be Vegas stuck or anything, really think its foolish to say that a good player  would not peel this turn with a GSSFD or GSRFD.

Dave, all the younger lads laugh at people betting to find out were they are. Is sizing your turn bet to fold out xx not the same thing in a roundabout way. Not a level just curious to know if it's different

im saying that i wouldnt overlimp in your middle posiotion with your 6s 7s if i thought the button was going to raise and if i was that button i would be raising a lot.

Well, I spose it's a similar strategy, but the thinking behind it is very different imo, the concept of "finding out where you are" as I have seen it time after time would be raising your A7 on AT8 just to "see if the other guy has an ACE" - the reasons this is a terrible strategy are a) when you ARE behind, you're putting not far off the same money in as you would be calling 2 streets and folding (so you dont get a chance to spike 2pair or show the hand down losing a ton of equity) b) people can jam stuff like J9/Q9 etc if they think ur raise folding a badish Ace (obvs burning equity) and 3) you're stopping someone from barreling his chips off when he DOESN'T have the hand by over-repping ur hand.

The idea of betting the turn in my hand was because I gave his range a reasonable amount of weight to hands like  Ts 8s,  Qh Td,  Aspades  Jc all of which have good equity vs my actual hand, but should be under it vs my range hence why I expected him to fold those hands, I also have 3 nut outs and some equity that I'm thinking will be exclusive a decent % of the time when called so I'm effectivley semi-bluffing. If I thought he wasn't going to fold mid-ish Qx's or any flush draw then I would have chk/folded the turn. So i'm pretty clear on where I am in the hand, I am taking a line which maximises my equity vs the range of hands I have assigned him, If my range's are wrong/misjudged then the chances are I will make a small mistake on a later street.

It's the river where I think my hand gets interesting....

Well that's because it's funny

this as well lol

ta. this would be the same guys folding KK face up when you cbet the Ace hi flop?

might be a good fold ;)