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« Reply #180 on: December 17, 2016, 10:47:25 AM »

Nirvana were to alternative rock what  the darkness were to experimental metal - the band formed by their drummer, the foo fighters, were a much better band.

Removing the notion of punishment from the criminal justice system would reduce crime.

Kids today are much better behaved and happier than kids of any other recent generation.



I think I disagree with all three of these but very curious and could absolutely be persuaded the other way. What makes you think reducing punishment would reduce crime and that kids are better behaved now?

On the subject of kids, I live near a school and that has made me a lot more optimistic about kids today, because they seem just like 'the good old days' when I was a kid rather than sex obsessed video game addicted smart phone zombies the media suggests they are.

You are wrong about Nirvana though, please stop being wrong. Smiley

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« Reply #181 on: December 17, 2016, 12:31:05 PM »

nirvana are meh. their drummer went on to make a much better and more sucessful band: grohl is a better singer than cobain, a better guitarist [not hard as cobain is sloppier than a dobermans lick] and a better songwriter too. nirvana for their vaunted originality were actually meekly following a musical blueprint laid down by bands like the pixies - cobain is more swoon-a-lishious than black francis, though. which must help for things like getting vanguards of the alternative-underground like MTV right behind you. for their much vaunted influence, well grunge was a minor hit for a few months in the 90s, i guess. until bands like oasis and even ecstasy fuelled D.J. worship became a thing that is. their best song is a bowie cover, too.

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What makes you think reducing punishment would reduce crime

i wouldn't merely reduce punishment; i would do away with the notion completely.

at the moment we sentence people based largely on the moral outrage caused by the crime. we have a punitive system whereby crimes can be atoned for by serving a sentence. this is just irrational. if people are a danger to society or themselves, then they shouldn't be in society and in secure places. call them prisons if you like. but sentencing should 100% focus on the offender and not on factors like moral outrage, victim impact statements or other extraneous factors. this might actually result in people being in prison for longer periods. the staus quo sees judges set tariffs based on subjective variables such as moral outrage, press interest, victim profile, victim's view on the crime etc etc. the offender is locked up:  away from society and its changing norms, away from their family support network and friends, curtailing job prospects and housing them in a bruatalising environment. and once the sentence is complete, punishemnt is served and the offender is then released. this serves nobody and adds nothing to the good of society.

we lock people away from society and then release them expecting them to follow the common values of that society, even if the world may seem alien to them. crime is often a symptom, and we dont offer any treatment for the cause

taking away the notion of punishment, locking up fewer people, and investing money and care into prisoners would actually stand a chance of breaking the cycle of crime - its hard to do worse than the current system

where we do need to put people in prison the prisons should be small, based in local communities and should be places of rehabilitation and care. sentence the offender, not the offence. punishment shouldnt be a consideration


with regard to the kids, i can only speak from personal experience. i read about feral kids being blood-let on violent games and access to porn. i see gangs of teenagers, and they are looking at each other phones, sharing music,holding hands, mixed groups at ease in contact with each other. i see spontaneity in fashion, i hear laughter and and i see a lot of care towards others and politeness.  i dont recognise my own young-self and my own peer groups in the young today, they are heads and shoulders above my generation in terms of maturity and class.  the kids are alright, innit.
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« Reply #182 on: December 17, 2016, 02:18:14 PM »

The kids of today are zombies that's why! Everything, and I mean everything depends on how they are viewed on social media e.g. Snapchat, Instagram and it is impossible for any school going child to avoid.

This comes at a price too, they might be more self-aware but have waaaaay short attention spans. Repetitive tasks like unloading a dishwasher are nightmares for my young cousins. Watching a film without having their phones out simultaneously is impossible. Snapchats are 10 seconds long, and soon we're going to have a generation who isn't tuned in to concentrate for a period any longer than that!
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« Reply #183 on: December 17, 2016, 04:38:49 PM »

When cocky kids/adults walk out in front the car and just trundle along with no consideration for their own safety I would love to run them over.
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« Reply #184 on: December 17, 2016, 04:42:27 PM »

When cocky kids/adults walk out in front the car and just trundle along with no consideration for their own safety I would love to run them over.

Wrong thread?

Not sure that would be unpopular Cheesy
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« Reply #185 on: December 17, 2016, 04:46:42 PM »

When cocky kids/adults walk out in front the car and just trundle along with no consideration for their own safety I would love to run them over.

When they do that they usually make a point of not looking at the car, as if this make them invulnerable. I like to slip the clutch and rev the engine hard, it sounds like I'm accelerating and scares the bejesus out of them.
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« Reply #186 on: December 17, 2016, 04:58:32 PM »

When they do that they usually make a point of not looking at the car, as if this make them invulnerable. I like to slip the clutch and rev the engine hard, it sounds like I'm accelerating and scares the bejesus out of them.

But then you get the overly cocky ones that look you straight in the eye whilst strolling across - showing them both palms usually has an interesting effect.
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« Reply #187 on: December 17, 2016, 05:01:29 PM »

When cocky kids/adults walk out in front the car and just trundle along with no consideration for their own safety I would love to run them over.

If you can see them, and they can see you - and you've got plenty of time to stop. In what way aren't they considering their own safety?
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« Reply #188 on: December 17, 2016, 05:08:37 PM »

When cocky kids/adults walk out in front the car and just trundle along with no consideration for their own safety I would love to run them over.

If you can see them, and they can see you - and you've got plenty of time to stop. In what way aren't they considering their own safety?


Because I might be some idiot who revs his engine and who's foot could slip off the clutch.
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« Reply #189 on: December 17, 2016, 06:41:49 PM »

When cocky kids/adults walk out in front the car and just trundle along with no consideration for their own safety I would love to run them over.

If you can see them, and they can see you - and you've got plenty of time to stop. In what way aren't they considering their own safety?

Do you drive?
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« Reply #190 on: December 17, 2016, 11:22:15 PM »

Gary Player was considerably less than scrupulous in the final round of The Open Championshp at Lytham in 1974.
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« Reply #191 on: December 17, 2016, 11:38:29 PM »

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« Reply #192 on: December 20, 2016, 11:23:23 PM »

When cocky kids/adults walk out in front the car and just trundle along with no consideration for their own safety I would love to run them over.

If you can see them, and they can see you - and you've got plenty of time to stop. In what way aren't they considering their own safety?

If you're travelling at or below the speed limit and someone walks out in front of you knowing that the car has to come to a quick stop to avoid hitting you then you are being inconsiderate and deserve to be run over.
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« Reply #193 on: December 20, 2016, 11:30:56 PM »

Old people don't deserve more respect.
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« Reply #194 on: December 21, 2016, 01:58:15 AM »

Old people don't deserve more respect.

I'm older than you and you will respect me so shut your mouth
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