The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Doobs]

Not sure why people think this is a springboard for UKIP etc.

Many people have got what they think they want by being able to stem the flow of immigration.

Vast majority of those people are not racists, regardless of what the other half think.

UKIP don't think they are racists

Farage thinks its a springboard, he's going to try and sow up the working class vote. If Labour changes leader and accepts restrictions on free movement of workers (corbyn doesn't) then Farage will fail

Just because people think they aren't racists doesn't mean they aren't.

So many kids at my daughter's school facing an uncertain future.

Anyway.  Good luck me getting a job anytime soon.  I suppose at least they will be plenty around sorting out all that crap in a couple of years.  Sure they'll be plenty of jobs cleaning the shit off that bunch of ungrateful old gits.

Childish. Expected better.

Firstly, I am sure the world will be fine in 6 months and that we'll be fine as a nation.  There is bound to be a bit of turmoil, and the economy is biund to be weaker, but we'll get over it.  

Just a bit sad this morning that we have shown ourselves to be inward looking.  I really hope it doesn't lead to a further rise in the far right across Europe.   And I hope we can keep this nation together, but feel the next Scottish referendum won't be quite so positive.  

And of course a recruitment freeze really is inevitable across the financial sector.  It always happens in response to these crises.  So stupid that this one was self inflicted.

[mondatoo]

Interested on reading thoughts from those who voted leave to inform me on what positives you foresee now ?

[PokerBroker]

(not a ukip voter)

but UKIP got 4m votes at the 2015 GE. A big slug of those were from labour voters.

that subset is motivated by immigration concern over anything else surely, and were the big swing factor last night?

i am not saying they are racist but the economic consequences of immigration to them/wage levels/community changes etc are far bigger than the issue being "the liberal left is the problem for the socialist case" surely?

people aren't hankering for old style socialism, i sense

Have you spent much time in working class communities Tight End were Labour used to dominate?  I don't mean recently but in general? 

no

have you spent any time in midlands marginal communities, which labour needs to win to return to power? i have

if not, let me advise that labour vacating the centre and heading left makes them unelectable (immigration policy is only part of this). (though less unelectable in a big recession, financial crisis etc probability of which has risen)

I don't dispute that Labour can't win an election by moving left, but they can't move centre at the expense of their core vote and not expect reprisals.  They got away with this for far too long.  

Middle class areas and the more leafier suburbs aren't exposed to the immigration policy as much as those in working class areas in my opinion, well certainly not in Scotland.  I'd assume that is the same in England.  The 4 million folk voting UKIP, I'd say a tiny minority were actual racists.   Much the same as I'd say many of those who voted out are probably just frustrated.  They wanted change, and this was the only way they knew how because swapping Labour with Tory and vice versa hasn't really made any noticeable difference.  Same as the SNP in Scotland they aren't as progressive as they like to think.  

There is a whole generation of people disenfranchised and the state and media have played a massive part in this.  

[nirvana]

Blaming the working class protest vote for this result is way too simplistic. It may be an element but vast swathes of the notional middle classes who own houses, who have jobs, who have pensions also voted out...izzit ?

[nirvana]

 I really hope it doesn't lead to a further rise in the far right across Europe.  

I think this is the most alarming prospect thrown up by this result - I imagine the average European citizen in the older member countries feels just as disaffected by the corporatist nature of Governments and the EU. There was never enough social focus by the EU, not too much as is often portrayed here

[TightEnd]

Eurozone markets down further than the UK market - Brexit is making a positive impact on our economy sooner than I thought

BOE throwing parts of £250bn at sterling and stocks. does help a bit short term :-)

gets expensive printing money, add to that imported inflation if sterling falls (for a sustained period), means higher interest rates

lets hope it stabilises quickly, Carney is like human horlicks

[DaveShoelace]

Corbyn will stay IMO, he still has the mandate from the champagne socialists who are essentially the voter base now, they'll all blame Cameron/UKIP/the working class for this, not his inaction (though I think he wanted us to leave anyway).

[nirvana]

Eurozone markets down further than the UK market - Brexit is making a positive impact on our economy sooner than I thought

BOE throwing parts of £250bn at sterling and stocks. does help a bit short term :-)

gets expensive printing money, add to that imported inflation if sterling falls (for a sustained period), means higher interest rates

lets hope it stabilises quickly, Carney is like human horlicks

Yah, he might be the only grown up in this whole mess

[DungBeetle]

Corbyn will stay IMO, he still has the mandate from the champagne socialists who are essentially the voter base now, they'll all blame Cameron/UKIP/the working class for this, not his inaction (though I think he wanted us to leave anyway).

Thought Corbyn was carried by the Momentum vote or whatever they are called.  Aren't the champagne socialists more a Chukka or Yvette Cooper type candidate?

[nirvana]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

[nirvana]

Ooh, just looked at my Barclays shares, wtf happened here - I thought it was just a game

[DaveShoelace]

Too fun that the majority of the written media, the whole of the Tory party, 80% of labour MPs all brand Corbyn an unelectable nutter and then blame him for not getting the vote out.

Petards anyone ?

Agree.

I actually think Corbyn and Cameron should both stay, this really is a non-partisan issue for the most part, I'm not in the camp of 'resign if things are not 100% how you want them'.

[StuartHopkin]

Interested on reading thoughts from those who voted leave to inform me on what positives you foresee now ?

Stronger economy following some turbulence
Some sort of control on immigration
Scottish independence

[rfgqqabc]

 I really hope it doesn't lead to a further rise in the far right across Europe.  

I think this is the most alarming prospect thrown up by this result - I imagine the average European citizen in the older member countries feels just as disaffected by the corporatist nature of Governments and the EU. There was never enough social focus by the EU, not too much as is often portrayed here

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36615879



There is a difference between racism and a sort of protectionism that I think is a more accurate portrayal of peoples feelings. People are scared and not hateful.

[Woodsey]

Interested on reading thoughts from those who voted leave to inform me on what positives you foresee now ?

Stronger economy following some turbulence
Some sort of control on immigration
Scottish independence