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A question...

does one automatically get barred if one criticises DTD in any way?

hell no, fire away

I dont have anything specific to say against DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/). It just seems that lots of people at the moment are getting barred for positing any kind of criticism anywhere whatsoever

Hello Ed

With the changes made at DTD regarding Competitions and Structure
it proves the DTD crew are willing to listen and  come to the party. I
think all there asking is play nicely.  

A quote from Rob...

"Telling someone their front door needs painting is fine, but telling the whole world that their house is a 'cess pit' is disrespectful - it means you won't be ever invited round for a BBQ"


Regards

M

Hi john

how u doin long time no c.
Ye  agree DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) schedule changes are all good. Im just a litle concerned that anyone who criticises the club in any way gets barred.  I have always supported DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/); I have played there a lot I just dont want to see them bar too many people and kill their own business.  For instance Mick Mccool got barred simply for posting some constructive criticisms on his blog.

I think there is a way of going about it, Mick Mccool did it publicly when i'm sure Rob would have been happy to listen to any comments he had.

Posting criticisms on a forum or blog is similar to standing outside the club with a billboard, you can do it but don't expect to be invited in.

It probably depends if I liked you in the first place, there is no hard and fast rule, its a private club . My friends are not gonna critise DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) in public and the club has been built for them. If you critisise DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) and I don't know you or don't like you, you will get barred if I get to see it. We have a suggestions box for our members and I personally read every comment, so anyone that decides to critisise DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) publicly is doing it to be malicious.

lol best of blonde ..post of year....

Amongst Rob Yong's explanation recently for the reasons behind the changes he's making, he mentioned wanting DTD to feel like a "big home game."  Something like that, so it's worth baring that in mind if you had any criticisms.  If someone invited you over to their home for an evening to play poker and you felt that you didn't like the games played, the drinks served or the food - would you go home and put it all on your personal blog - "went to a mates to play poker, no offense to him, but it was shit' the Twiglets were stale, the lager was from Vietnam and the games were boring."  Or would you subtly and politely try to suggest maybe some Pringles were in order the next time you were invited to come and play.

The tone in some of the criticism's seem to indicate the players who go to DTD see it as theirs and like a Casino, that DTD needs them more they need it, but I don't that's so on this occasion.  No venue is perfect, but it's important not to take the good places for granted. 

There's a massive difference between making a suggestion about how the club is run or simply moaning that you don't like a, b or c.

Every businessman is willing to listen to constructive criticism as that can lead to improvements. However, simply moaning and saying "I don't like this, I don't like that, this is rubbish etc..." is not constructive unless it backed up with sound reasoning. Unfortunately "because I say so" is not sound reasoning.

If you have any comments that you would like to make why not drop Rob or Simon a PM on here? That way they know you're not just trying to air your views and force your opinion on other's.

I have done this myself and received a very courteous reply and was assured that my suggestion had been taken on board. It doesn't mean that anything will immediately be done about it but it may be something that they hadn't considered before and will now think about.

Trust me they don't mind suggestions or constructive criticism.

What they do mind is people moaning and I can't blame them one bit.

Unless they're moaning about the price of the drinks of course  ;)

Good post.  Although you're now barred from Vietnam.


I'm not a big-stakes player, and so card rooms aren't that fussed about catering for me as I don't make them the money the 'bigger' players do.

DTD does provide me with somewhere to play ,and it's where I enjoy spending an evening most weekends.  It's not perfect (nowhere is), but for me it's as close as it's going to get.

Last night the background music took a turn for the worse, and Enrique Iglesias was putting me on life-tilt, mentioned this to the staff and they even sorted that out!  

:goodpost:

People need to be careful regarding DTD. Rob built this club for poker players to enjoy the game they love and I'm certain that he isn't interested in making a profit out of it. However I'm sure that he also doesn't like losing thousand's every week which I wouldn't be surprised if the club does at the moment.

When people then moan about paying a couple of quid for a coffee he will get a little dejected and wonder why he opened the place in the first place.

Next thing you know he shuts it and fair play to him.

I believe from the posts I have read that Rob sees this place as a hobby and a break from his more serious businesses. If my instincts are correct he's probably not 100% happy with his hobby at the moment and wants to see it improve.

Most people who don't enjoy their hobbies simply stop doing them and try something else.

Try to support the club a bit through what I believe are tough times. I don't mean you have to attend more often just quit whinging or I promise you the place will close within a year or two.

If you moan then you probably wouldn't mind the place closing. Therefore I assume you wouldn't mind being barred either.

Like I said before this doesn't mean they won't listen to suggestions. Just keep them private unless they are carefully thought out and constructive.

I think that has summed it up perfectly. 

However people may feel it is bit much that any public discussion of the club must be positive or you may get barred.  I read Mick McCool's comments and didn't feel there was anything in it to justify getting barred.


That's a bit much.  People like to moan (especially poker players) but to suggest that any negative comments are a malicious attack on the club smacks of being over sensitive to criticism.

Hi Raindogs

Customers are encoraged to put there points across to the DTD Team.
In a nice face to face way or use the sugestion cards at the cash desk. ( Although i've never been to the cash desk yet!)

I cannot understand folk commenting on people who get barred from DTD. Before the club opened
Rob posted along the lines of "Water under the bridge every one is welcome" but I have rules and people may
get barred, for what some people may consider minor infringments of club rules.


Rob also posted this 14/1/8

I've done this in slanty red type because I thought it looked better.

"In the future, and for the avoidance of doubt, I / our management team / our staff would prefer people who choose to publicly criticise us (online or offline) not to vist our little poker club. I think this is very fair, we are a members only club, not a public casino, and noone has a right to enter our premises if we don't like their opinion of us."


Regards

M
 
   



 

 

BOL

Thanks for all the above posts; some well balanced and instructive replies.  I think it is important to debate these things.  You have a good point, Rob, that people who criticise publicly rather than going through the channels available are not being constructive- especially if they are just moaning.  At the end of the day, it is a private club; no-one has the "right" to be there.  I just would not want to see DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) struggling because too many people have been barred.

E.B

:-)

Posted by: robyong

This comment reminded me of school days. When I was a kid there was a boy in my class called Daniel. His parents were quite wealthy and he always had good stuff. Anyways he came to school one day and said his house now had a games room. In the games room they had a full size championship snooker table. This was around the time that Taylor beat Davis 18-17 in the 1985 World Snooker Championships. Snooker was well popular. Anyway Dan starts inviting people back to his house to play snooker, but his mum said he could only take two friends each night. It became clear that the people he chose to play each night were the ones who had been nicest to him that day. If you did something to upset Dan, then forget it, no snooker for you!!

So I decided to be really nice to Dan one day in order to get a game. I bought him a BreakAway biscuit for his lunch. Anyway when it came down to it I thought feck it I'll go and play football with my mates instead and ate the biscuit on the way home.

I've played in D.T.D a couple of times and it's a bloody good poker club.

Hi - I can't see why my comment reminded you of your schooldays unless it went more like this:

When I was a kid at school there was a boy called Dan who's parents had absolutley no money so he used to get up every morning before school and do a 100 mile paper round and mow the neighbours lawns at the same time, after school he also washed cars till 11pm every night. Dan then got some of his close school friends involved and generated part time jobs for over 1000 other school kids.

Dan really loved snooker and had many friends who also played, he had worked so hard that he could now afford to build a 47 table snooker hall and not worry whether it made a profit, as long as he could have some fun and it broke even he was more than happy.

Dan knew that there were few snooker players who had reputations for causing problems in the other snooker clubs but decided to give everyone a clean slate when the club opened. The other snooker clubs allowed these troublemakers to behave badly because they spent a lot of money on the slot machines in the snooker clubs.

After 8 months Dan's snooker club had 8,000 members and was by far the busiest snoooker club in the area, some weeks the snooker club lost money because Dan still had to pay the same costs as the other snooker clubs even though he chose not to have any slot machines in his club However, every few months Dan held a large snooker competition that balanced out these losses, so he was happy.

The troublesome snooker players had behaved really well for the first 6 months, as Dan had barred a couple of them in the first few weeks of opening. However, these troublesome snooker players now had their feet under the table and starting reverting back to their old ways, so Dan decided that he would make some changes for the benefit of the other 7,992 members and barred some more troublesome snooker players. Some of the players that Dan barred made up stories to tell the other kids at school but only the really gullable kids believed them.

Dan did not need to go to work after he left school, which made a few other kids jealous, he was already financially secure from his paper round, lawn mowing and car washing businesses. He also has a generous offer to buy his snooker club in case he ever gets bored or it becomes too much of a hassle, Dan could actually get out with a decent profit on his investment - so life was good for Dan.

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im actually rolling around laughing. +10 for bitter irony.

Im called Dan, i never had a snooker table or a paper round when i was young!

I've only skimmed through this thread but I'm pleased to hear that DTD now has snooker tables.

I tried to stand in line for a game last night but there was no cue.

 ;marks;

Sigh. I think we're gonna have to chalk that one down to experience.

Give it a rest.

I admire Robs stance

I felt that was coming.

Wonder how many puns are going to be racked up before everyone's bored?

I see you all spider chance for a pun thread.

You know Rob has the balls

Andrew ... you need to take an extended rest from pun threads.

I baulk at your suggestion.

you always come up with something on the spot ... I give you total clearance to carry on.

Give us a break will you?

Let me just clarify. The reason that particular comment reminded me of school was because it was juvenile. Saying that your decisions to ban people are based on whether you like them or not isn't a good attitude. Banning people just because you can and because you don't like them reminded me of when I was 11. If you say that the club is for your friends then you are saying that Blondes who play there who you don't know are not a priority for you. That is up to you. But I think actually using Blonde to say that is ridic. In fact I thought the tone and content of your first post was quite abrasive and made me think you have been watching too much Alan Sugar on the telly. I liked your second post though.

If someone has the power to decide things and makes decisions based on favouritism then this is a childish abuse of power imo. I am sure I would have the same attitude to whoever was in charge of whatever, including those people who have mowed lawns and done some other stuff.

Let me say that we are both members of this forum. If you post something that I don't agree with I am happy to respond and tell you why because I am not yellow. You can do the same to my posts. But don't be blue because this is how it works. Please realise that just because you are in a position to ban people from your poker club it doesn't mean when you post on Blonde you are immune from criticism. Getting red with rage or being browned off doesn't help. I am not being malicious and I am not green with envy. What I am saying is that I don't like your attitude of favouritism. It's like the persecution of black people. Anyway I pink I'm finished.

 ;applause;

This thread has gone................ http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BliAPzEsao0

This video gets funnier every year.

Did you white that all yourself?

Fk me you lot are potty

Yeah its crazy... like when the flop comes  Aspades 4s 7s

(dont quite work that does it lol)

Did somebody say the place had gone to pot ?

Sandy

Sigh, I'm going to swerve reading this thread in future.

A little tip for you, be careful not to cannon in to a plant when you swerve unless you have something to cushion the blow.

Sandy

Shouldn't this post be in the snooker forum?

Is that an extension of this forum ?

Sandy

ps i'm stunned you think so

Is Steve Davies allowed round to play?

He would be butt if he annoyed Rob that may change.

Sandy

I heard he plays poker as well

Does he have a nap hand ?

Sandy

Does banning people hit rob in the pocket?

I don't think it'll break him.

Sandy

Do they get banned on the spot?

Depends if they screw it up completely or just make a balls of it.

Sandy

Ps will Rob miss them ?

probably just as well if so, as some may need a long rest

Especially if they used foul language. Do you think they'd kick themselves ?

Sandy

They would deff have extensions to their bans

So many puns racked up you had to use one twice eventually.

You've been framed.

A bridge to far ?

Sandy

ah screw this, i am off for a rest

Good point.

Sandy

Perhaps you two should pool your resources.

Do we have your clearance to say we are the masters.

Sandy

You're getting a kick out of this.

It has added a bit colour to my cheeks.

Sandy

I think i'm gonna go for a nap after reading this!

So many doubles.

If you guys are not going to play safe and read the thread i'm going to have an interval during which you may concede.

Sandy

Crap didnt notice that one!

I'm taking a break, building up this thread too much.

Re-rack ?

Sandy

My head is spinning!

Result of a session ?

Sandy

Go to 'bed' mate.

Think i'm going to approach this thread from a different angle

Are you English ?

Sandy

Yes, I bet you were on the Check Side when we played them though.

I had to after i had a look at the table and the rankings and it looked like a walk over.

Sandy

Your just playing it safe now.

Trying to knuckle down.

Sandy

Why are you 'hidden'?

Chinese snooker.

Sandy

These puns are the tip of the iceberg.

Cannon anyone join in?

No it's the premier league here.

Sandy

We must put a hENDry to all this.

I felt that one coming.

Sandy

You really have lowered the standard.

Maybe he just wanted sympathy and a kiss ?

Sandy

I have been deserted en masse ;(

Sandy

Browned off that Red didn't visit.

'slate now so off to bed.

Sandy

Haha - "I rest my case then."

this is awesome

Hi TheKid,

To put things into context, I know of only 6 people that have been permenantly barred since the club opened nearly 9 months ago (this is 0.075% of the membership). I don't want to name them, of course, its not that hard to guess but this is why they were barred from DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/):

Person 1
this individual is very well known in the Nottingham poker scene. I always got on with him really well and enjoyed the bantor we had. I was asked by a lot of players not to let him into the club even before we opened but I refused their requests as I has said that every poker player would clean slate at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/). Unfortunatley after a couple of visit to DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) I was left with no choice to barr him as he was causing problems with a large number of good customers and I could not be seen to turn a blind eye to his behaviour inside and outside of the club.

Person 2
another well known player on the Nottingham on the poker scene who sometimes gets a bit vocal at the tables, however I personally like him and he was very good for the game with plenty of bantor. Unfortunatley after a number of warnings including 2 personal pleas from me in private, he continued to use foul and abusive language directly to staff and fellow players, even throwing cards at the dealer (the worse and most offensive you can imagine). I was forced to barr him, as an employer I just can't have my staff called an XXXX repeatedly for dealing an outdraw.

Person 3
a well know midlands player got very drunk before he entered the club and threw a punch at one of our doorman, the whole incident was on CCTV, this was totally out of charactor for him and I really like this customer, but what option do we have when this has happenned?

Person 4
this person worked is a manager at one of the nottingham casinos that was involved in trying to block DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)'s licence. I barred him immediately when he entered the premises as I thought is was inappropriate that he should play in DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) after his comments before and during the court case and his presence at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) would cause unrest with a lot of our local customers. Again, I liked this person, he lent me my first ever poker book 6 years ago, but I felt I had no option.

Person 5
this person is another nottingham regular who sent in a letter of complaint about 2 other players behaviour during a cash game. I gave the 2 players a 14 day ban even though the incident was halmless but definatley should not happen in this club. It was however later confirmed that the facts of the letter were not 100% accurate and other players showed me text messages on their phones from this person that were clearly trying halmful trade in to the club. Again, left with no option, he had to get barred.

Person 6
when DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) opened its online card room we launched with a $25k WSOP freeroll, this person accused DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) of putting employees into the freeroll in a sneaky attempt to avoid paying out the prizes. I was just going through the courtcase at the time and felt this was a pretty low accusation from someone who knew the pressure I was under and that these sort of false accusations would not clearly not support my application to be a bona fide gaming operator!  I told him he was not welcome at the club if it ever opened but I relented on this on my "clean slate system" when we opened the doors. He did cause a few problems on the odd occasion with his outspoken nature but nothing too serious until a couple of weeks ago when my head doorman reported an unsavoury incident in the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) bar regarding an argument over non payment of debts with another customer, our security managed to defuse the situation without calling the police but we cannot jepodise our gaming licence with these types of incidents. I had intended to have a word with him personally but before I could, he posted some comments about DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) which I thought were in very bad taste on his poker blog (stuff about employees), so I decided to call him and barr him from the club.

I spoke to a 2 ex casino managers today about barring people and their view was that over the 9 months of opening, 6 people is a miniscule number of barrings especially with over 8,000 members. I went through the reasons in detail, I do not want to be unfair, and I got a  different answer, apparently whether someone was barred from a casino, the length of the ban or if they got banned at all would depend on "how much they drop on the casino games".

In the perfect world every member and employee would be proud of DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/), care about the club being successful and want it to maintain its  high quality of service and reputation for being a nice place to visit. Unfortunatley, in the real world a very small minority of members and employees let the club or themselves down, often becoming bitter when action is taken by myself and the management. It would be crazy for any business/organisation/club to every want to lose good customers or good employees after trying so hard to attract them in the first place, but when people put you in a corner you have to deal with the problems and take action or these problems manifest themselves and things spiral.

I am still learning about running a poker club, I do not want to barr good customers or lose good employees, but people are not a science, with over 1000 employees and 50,000 customers accross all of my businesses, I get surprised every day by people's actions but I try not to let this get me down as the 99.9% majority are great to deal with. Also, often people that you think you know well turn out to be very different, its hard to always make the right decisions but taking a stand and trying to do the right thing is better than putting your head in the sand.

As for as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) struggling, it has done a lot better than I expected and is  just over breakeven after the first 9 months thanks to a few decent events and festivals. This is not bad for the first year of any project especially since we have to pay the running costs of a casino without the casino tables. It will be pretty easy for anyone to check this as the accounts will have to be audited and published like any other UK company.

We are running a club that is only recently licenced by the UK gambling commission, they have the power to take our licence away at any point, we are being watched very closely by them and rightly so, the local casinos will use any political capital they can to cause problems for us (they are currently doing everything they can to "induce" the bigger cash game players away from DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) -  this is not conspiracy theory - its reality) as a lot of the "big casino punters" are playing poker at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) instead of dropping money on their house games - we need to run every aspect of DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) well, and any individuals who seek to halm DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) by their actions inside or outisde of the club need to distanced from our club ie be barred. Everyone knows that they can email Simon (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) Trumper (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) or speak with him personally if they genuinely want to help us improve DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/), this situation has never changed since we first opened the doors.

I hope this detailed post explains my/our stance of barring people and why it is important that our members are on our side and positively contribute to the success of the club.


Cheers Rob

rob,

is there any chance you can introduce an "unstuck" option to your business? id hate to go to DTD and get stuck £5k or so in the nit infested 5/10 nl games and not have a chance to spin my way back to even. My suggestion is that you offer a service whereby people can "flip" up to the value of money that they are stuck in the poker games. I will not charge you for my expert advice on this occasion.

LOLZ that doesn't sound like a responsible gambling stance, don't need the temptation TYVM.

Are you talking about adding roulette and blackjack tables, or allowing a losing customer to flip a coin with me at the end of the night and if they guess right - I give them their poker loss back personally? (and if they are wrong they get a free meal?)

If you are talking about casino games, the answer is "yes", we have a full casino licence, but I really believe that would be bad for the club and something that I would not want to get involved with.

I did that during BB, if i am there when you have done your cobbles come find me

one small question, do the ex casino staff sometimes get bored with just dealing cards instead of spinning the wheel?


Personally i like the fact that there isnt a wheel or blackjack table, But id love to see a small games room or "wind-down" area with a few big setee's pinball machine maybe.  Where players can take a small break from a cash game and do something non-pker for a while, maybe a PS3 or an XBOX.

Just throwing the ideas out there.

have to say i love the club as it is, and will do my best to attend every festival or £330'r they have down there

Not a terrible idea.....

Best news in Rob's reply is that DtD is breakeven. That is a stunning feat for a card-room. Well done.

Never!! Roulette is a punishment :)

nah i dont mean u shoul freeroll urself,if they guess right they get unstuck, if they guess wrong they double their losses. The ability to get unstuck, in one fell swoop,  when dealing with small sums of money is imperative to any dedicated internet professional!

lol i hope the 'unstuck' idea is a joke cos if it was a serious suggestion thats one of the most stupid things ive ever heard.

Seems like ferrules to me.

Sandy

after googling to find out what the hell you were talking about I've decided that that is deserving of a lot of love

 ;applause;

Hi Rob,

thanks for taking the time to post such a detailed and eloquent reply.  I must admit I thought more than 6 people had been barred; obviously this is not the case.  Now I have listened to your arguments I feel that you were justified in taking the actions you did.  It seems DTD has done remarkably well and long may it continue. Especially as you said, you are only in the first year of business and also in lots of ways DTD is the first club of it's kind.  Keep up the good work.

E.B

:-)

Its just a shame Mick McFool has to keep attention seeking on his blog

from his blog "Possibly in the past l have being a bit too honest and have been massively criticised for it and even banned from the Blonde forum". He's not realyl truthful there, is he?

Guys,

I don't really want to get into a mud-slinging affair with Mick. He cannot respond on blonde, so I don't think it's really cricket. If he decides to have a pop at blonde, so be it, but I'd prefer we turned the other cheek.

He's gone his way, we've gone ours.

I shall be commenting on a Mick-related matter later today, in my Diary, but not to have a pop - merely to set the record straight.

There's a certain decorum to these matters, & I'd prefer that we in blonde behave in a dignified manner.

Prolonged "baiting" has never had any positive benefit to either party, & we've seen some recent casualties & exits from blonde because of it, some of which were regrettable, & all of which were avoidable.

I'd like to move on.

Don't panic Tikay, only 34 more posts until we get to the maximum.

Sandy

 rotflmfao

Relentless.

Does that make me

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cFkae0j_Ns

?

Sandy

Am surprised by all of this.

IMO Rob has gone OTT but at the end of the day like he says it's his club and he can do as he likes.

I for one am never going to post anything about DTD in public if it can get you barred!!

its ok mr townsend, im sure your local internet casino can help deal with your ability to get unstuck.

Flushy,

I am interested in how I have gone OTT. I assume you are talking about person number 6 that I have most recently barred. This was the reason as per my previous post and it all 100% fact with no exageration/inaccuracy, it is also true he spends/has spent a decent amount of money at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) on tourney juice, rake, food and drink so he will be a financial loss to the club:

Person 6
when DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) opened its online card room we launched with a $25k WSOP freeroll, this person accused DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) of putting employees into the freeroll in a sneaky attempt to avoid paying out the prizes. I was just going through the courtcase at the time and felt this was a pretty low accusation from someone who knew the pressure I was under and that these sort of false accusations would not clearly not support my application to be a bona fide gaming operator!  I told him he was not welcome at the club if it ever opened but I relented on this on my "clean slate system" when we opened the doors. He did cause a few problems on the odd occasion with his outspoken nature but nothing too serious until a couple of weeks ago when my head doorman reported an unsavoury incident in the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) bar regarding an argument over non payment of debts with another customer, our security managed to defuse the situation without calling the police but we cannot jepodise our gaming licence with these types of incidents. I had intended to have a word with him personally but before I could, he posted some comments about DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) which I thought were in very bad taste on his poker blog (stuff about employees), so I decided to call him and barr him from the club.

Now answer these questions honestly if you were me for a day:

1. Would you want to sit down at a table in your own club and play with this person?

2. Do you think his behaviour is acceptable as a member of DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)?

3. How muh do you think he cares about DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)? (mark out of 10 please)

4. Would you barr him?

5. What action would you take then if not to barr him?

Cheers,

Rob

It's been an eventful week at Dusk Till Dawn. A quick catch up of events, including the result of the 3-2-1 main event, can be found by clicking the link below:

http://blondepoker.com/?q=node/20541 (http://blondepoker.com/?q=node/20541)

Rob, Are you going to hold an event after a year so the regulars can keep their partners  off their back for a bit whilst they play ? A free ball maybe ?

Sandy

I think Simon (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) Trumper (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) has something planned for the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) aniversary but not sure if there will be a free ball.

Flushy - thanks for your answers. correct - you did not know all of the facts, therefore you were saying I am OTT without all of the information.

I am pretty sure that I am going to come in for more critism from certain people over the coming weeks/months as I make more changes to DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) to get it in line with my original vision, rather than defend/justify myself in public, I will keep quiet for from now on and go about my business in private, whatever is said, all that I actually end up doing is getting these types of people more attention that their actions deserve. Of course , members can ask me any questions in person at the club or use the suggestions box in the club or contact Simon (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) Trumper (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) directly on strumper@dtdpoker.com .

Cheers Rob
 

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I think Simon (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) Trumper (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) has something planned for the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) aniversary but not sure if there will be a free ball.

Flushy - thanks for your answers. correct - you did not know all of the facts, therefore you were saying I am OTT without all of the information.

I am pretty sure that I am going to come in for more critism from certain people over the coming weeks/months as I make more changes to DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) to get it in line with my original vision, rather than defend/justify myself in public, I will keep quiet for from now on and go about my business in private, whatever is said, all that I actually end up doing is getting these types of people more attention that their actions deserve. Of course , members can ask me any questions in person at the club or use the suggestions box in the club or contact Simon (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) Trumper (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=400) directly on strumper@dtdpoker.com .

Cheers Rob
 
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Well, the bit about barring anyone you didn't personally like does make you come across a bit like a meglomaniac but then again it's your club and not a business in your eyes, and fair-minded folk that have read your diary can't argue with the determination you've shown to first create your club and then keep your original vision in focus.

I haven't been to DTD since the opening weekend - not because anything was less than perfectly well-intentioned - indeed I still remember one of your management sitting at the bar talking to someone and saying "make a note of that" to the staff when I asked for a drink you didn't stock - but just because it was too big for me and (somewhat ironic) my girlfriend likes to play small-stakes roulette.

Anyway, remoulding DTD back to fit your original vision is hugely impressive and I look forward to trying it again sometime.

I've been 'lurking' this thread with some interest as I'm currently barred from DTD and, as one of my friends pointed out, I didn't do ANY of the things listed for the 6 people permanently barred! Does this mean that I will EVENTUALLY be allowed back in?? I've been kept out since February and emailed asking to be re-admitted three times (I didn't receive a reply to my last two). Is there a time scale; if so who should I speak to to find out how long and how should I contact you? It's been killing me being kept out of the place where all my friends (and members of my family) play on a regular basis.
Also a player who shall remain nameless (Chippy) was barred from there but was allowed back in; having to listen to him crow about it probably gives me a case under the Cruel And Unusual Punishment clause.



I Was Born To Be Idle Rich- Half Way There

what were you barred for?

Your quite right, i apologise for that.

Briefly it was for inviting 3 players to a private cash game I was hosting in a nearby city.







Born To Be Idle Rich- Half Way There

You don't like dealing roulette? Wow.

A cocked hat party ?

Sandy

will you cut it with the snooker puns


anything for the first year party but nothing too deep on the pockets please

Screw you !

Sandy

foul

Referee !

Sandy

Is Dtd strict?

What are players gettin barred for and is fair to barr these players?

Have you read this thread?

This post in particular:  http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=35712.msg775186#msg775186

No DTD is not strict IMO, its hardly asking for people to do more than they should be doing in life, being polite, accepting the rules when u go there, and not interfer with other peoples enjoyment.

As for what they are getting barred for, please see previous pages in the thread.

As to if its fair to Barr players or not, its Rob's choice, and I personally feel, if someone has broken the rules or wants to slag the place off publicly then yes, would u want people in your gaff if they slagged u off publicly..

It's Robs club, he can do what he wants and unlike Blonde who feel they have to justify their decisions Rob quite rightly doesn't feel he has to - although he panders to us a bit and does explain.  My Dad used to say when he ran his business 'I'm not here to win popularity contests' but his fair and consistent approach won him many fans.

DTD isn't strict imho - I want a nice play to play and without any gaming machines.

With the change in the format I'm going back up there and looking forward to it.

Is it bar or barr? I was under the impression that the correct abbreviation is bar, however, Rob has used the double rr version, so perhaps we should stick with it...

It's "bar", which is not an abbreviation, it is the infinitive of the verb "to bar".  I don't think "barr" is a word but it sounds kind of cool :-)

Whatever Rob wants to call it is fine with me...he can call it "hokeypokey" for all I care...I jst don't want to be on the recieving end of it :)

Posted by: Dingdell

It is true that a fair and consistent approach will win you fans. This is why I took exception to the favouritism approach. It is reasonable to say that if you treat this club with respect and abide by the rules you shouldn't encounter any problems. But if you do encounter problems then saying the degree to which you are liked will affect the outcome is neither fair nor consistent imo. I also don't think it's consistent for Rob to say that if someone uses a public forum to talk about problems at D.T.D they will get banned, only to talk about these problems on a public forum himself.

Although your first sentence is technically correct I don't like that mentality in people at all. This is a customer service environment and if customers behave correctly and with respect they should have equal treatment and consideration imo. Let me say I wish the club well. My comments in this thread are not because I have any malicious intent. It's just important to point out when people are being biased or straying from the equality path. Especially those people who retain the power to make decisions.

It's mine so I can be biased if I want to is an unethical truth imo.

I don't think Rob chose to discuss this banning in the first instance on a public forum. He didn't bann them via that media - it was done privately. He used a public forum to defend his decision to ban after it had been raised publically by the banned person. He responded in kind.

If a newspaper libels someone they can't retract it by putting a poster in their staff canteen, they have to be seen to make ammends by the same media. I think this comes under the same principle. (Unless I've understood the situation incorrectly).

Once you adults are done can you let the kids know when we can play again.

Thanks.

Sandy

poker players are a funny lot esp brit players, we have a disease in britain , its called nock something thats good or succesful, irrespective of whether dtd suits an individual it has been hell of an achievement and no doubt a pain in the arse for all concerned, so for them to hear or see such critiscm then expect a reaction.

jealousy comes in many forms , i have no doubt there are some retarded individuals who would like to see dtd fail, i if this was in the usa it would be hailed as brilliant forward thinkng
and ry chubss trumper aj and the rest would be on the front pageof every poker mag.

however, critiscm is important, but damning critism shud be treated in the way it has been ,,,,,,,,,english mans castle an all that.

we try to support the club as much as possible , and we would have 15 to 30 travelling once a month if the 300 was a one dayer , we all have families and 2 day events at that buy in are very difficult to travel for  , so CAN I SUGGEST YOU LOT THAT LIVE WITHIN A 50 MILE RADIUS , ENJOY TH PLACE AND SING ITS PRAISES, COS YOU DONT KNOWHOW LUCKY YOU ARE. WE HAVE A 220 SEATER CARDROOM THAT CANT GWT 5 RUNNERS FOR A 200 ONCE A MONTH..........................

WTF DO YOU LOT WANT

I lol'd

My point is Trace that if you say you don't like it when people air dirty laundry in public then don't air dirty laundry in public. Anyway I don't know anything about D.T.D. politics and don't really want to. I am offering a free lesson about diplomacy and nothing more than that. Life coaches charge shit loads for this sort of stuff you know.

I initially thought Rob was harsh to ban Mick on the basis of the blog, however given that this was not the sole reason for the barring, i.e. the background to the banned (as explained by Rob), it does not now look unreasonable.

With regards to "so CAN I SUGGEST YOU LOT THAT LIVE WITHIN A 50 MILE RADIUS , ENJOY TH PLACE AND SING ITS PRAISES, COS YOU DONT KNOWHOW LUCKY YOU ARE. " I fully agree.

I live within this magic circle and do try to play at least once a week, twice if my other half will allow it.

Players need to remember that prior to DTD it was difficult in some places to even get a game on a weekend. I remember ringing several casinos to be told no poker at the weekend.

Hopefully Rob remains enthusiastic about the club and continues to support it.

Regards the changes, could the club consider running a small (beginner) PLO tourney occasionally.

Well now we have reached the magic 147 it's time to stop.

Will this thread make it to the snooker hall of fame or be destined to the bermuda triangle ?

Adieu.

Sandy

*edit*  Git stole the 147  ;nemesis; ;madasahatstand; ;smackedbottom; :'(

Technically, a break of 155 is possible, so maybe there's a few more posts still to come before it's reaches the end of the frame. Then again, we could have a re-rack.

'in offs, in off' ...Ahem...

Isn't it infinity? Can't someone foul on the break and then continually be asked to put it back?

Highest break ≠ Highest possible score

If ones opponent fouls one can be given a free ball which I think means one can pot a colour which is regarded  as a red, then a black and then begin potting the 15 reds.  So a break of 155 is possible and max score of 162 I think if the foul was on the black.  Something like that.

There could be several fouls prior to the freeball, so a total score of more than 162 is possible.

:)up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest_snooker_break

http://www.snooker.org/Plr/records.shtml

Sandy

I've read all the posts on here, I think they are probably pretty representative with a few people disagreeing with me but the majority can see where I am coming from, that's normal life, some mixed feedback. I have taken everything on board you have all said and will try to keep improving DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) so we have as many happy customers as possible.

Blondepoker is where I have always posted my honest and open views BUT I had a good chat with Nick, Simon and Chuubs today, they feel very strongly that by defending myself and the club's decisions publicly, I am giving certain people who are bitter/have a grudge against DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) the ideal opportunity to get more attention. These individuals can sense weakness (like all good poker players) and will look to really twist the knife into DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) and me, although I am not sure what they hope to achieve in the medium or long term, DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) and I are not going anywhere, I am as committed to the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) project as any of my other businesses.

I have been told to expect an "anti -DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)/Rob (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=383) Yong (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=383) smear campaign" over the coming days/weeks on blogs, forums etc , as certain casino staff, barred customers, ex exployees and their friends compare notes and try and have a real go at upsetting things at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/).

I say to these few bitter individuals "dealing with your attempts to hurt DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) is like "shelling peas" compared to dealing with Gala, LCI and Stanley and their legal councils."

However, I guess I have no control on what people will post on the internet about me or DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/), so I will take my friends' advice. Good luck to the "anti-DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)/Rob (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=383) Yong (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=383) crew" (of course, you will be lurking on this thread) BUT no matter how low you go, how many lies you tell, what lengths you are willing to go to, YOU WILL GET NO RESPONSE FROM ME

Thanks to all the people that continue to support DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) and myself.


Cheers Rob

DTD Style barr?


Gl Rob, i am looking forward to my next visit already, i'll have a DTD deluxe burger and a seat on Berridge's left please!

I dont mind you being to my left Flushy, i really look forward to our next game, i really enjoyed it mate lol........

Me too mate, was quality banter, games like that are why i still occasionally play live!

good luck rob

i love the place just wish i could get down more often

word

+1.

its easy to get out of it when you win imaginary flips flushy, on the rematch i might not be so drunk!!!!

lolz flip was done son, by your own appointed flipper!

All white then. You only get one shot though, none of this two go nonsense! :D