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Title: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: Graham C on July 25, 2009, 11:42:39 PM GAME #1748137849: Omaha PL $0.10/$0.20 2009-07-25 23:28:03
Table Korocha (No DP) Seat 1: Shinobi171 ($3.64 in chips) Seat 3: SiloGraham ($20.00 in chips) Seat 5: lenyor ($3.80 in chips) Seat 6: jennafromhell ($42.86 in chips) Seat 8: SanchezWINS ($28.65 in chips) Seat 10: JoK3rWiiLFYaLL ($20.79 in chips) DEALER Shinobi171: Post SB $0.10 SiloGraham: Post BB $0.20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to SiloGraham [DA Aspades SQ D4] Dealt to jennafromhell [ Th C6 S9 CQ] lenyor: Call $0.20 jennafromhell: Raise (NF) $0.90 SanchezWINS: Fold JoK3rWiiLFYaLL: Fold Shinobi171: Fold SiloGraham: Raise (NF) $3.00 lenyor: Fold jennafromhell: Call $2.10 *** FLOP *** [D7 D8 S5] SiloGraham: Bet $4.40 jennafromhell: Raise (NF) $16.80 SiloGraham: Allin $12.60 jennafromhell: Call $0.20 *** TURN *** [D2] *** RIVER *** [C3] *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $39.30 Rake $1.00 SiloGraham: wins $39.30 Standard play? Only asking cos villian gave me a bit of abuse for sucking out. I did tell her to gtfo and stop calling 3 bets with shit, but it made no difference :) Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: Graham C on July 25, 2009, 11:44:03 PM Not quite sure why both hands are at the start, some wierd PTO/Blonde thing I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: kukushkin88 on July 25, 2009, 11:52:55 PM Your play is 100% fine.
Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: Graham C on July 26, 2009, 12:10:21 AM Good good, thank you
Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: boldie on July 26, 2009, 10:39:42 AM yep..standard
Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: GreekStein on July 26, 2009, 11:57:39 AM Can only say whether its standard depending on the range of hands you are reraising with pre flop. At lower stakes PLO people don't reraise pre with much less than aces which makes it extremely exploitable and I'm calling (profitably) with any 4-cards if you've only put 15% of your stack in pre with your hand now more face up.
Post flop in this scenario the hand plays itself as bet/calling is the best line but double suited or not I think flatting is better OOP. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: boldie on July 26, 2009, 02:43:56 PM Can only say whether its standard depending on the range of hands you are reraising with pre flop. At lower stakes PLO people don't reraise pre with much less than aces which makes it extremely exploitable and I'm calling (profitably) with any 4-cards if you've only put 15% of your stack in pre with your hand now more face up. Post flop in this scenario the hand plays itself as bet/calling is the best line but double suited or not I think flatting is better OOP. yeah, I am assuming he is re-raising with a much wider range than just AA obv. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: maldini32 on July 26, 2009, 03:04:46 PM Can only say whether its standard depending on the range of hands you are reraising with pre flop. At lower stakes PLO people don't reraise pre with much less than aces which makes it extremely exploitable and I'm calling (profitably) with any 4-cards if you've only put 15% of your stack in pre with your hand now more face up. Post flop in this scenario the hand plays itself as bet/calling is the best line but double suited or not I think flatting is better OOP. Apart from that the way the hand has played out its fairly standard. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: Graham C on July 26, 2009, 03:21:19 PM Can only say whether its standard depending on the range of hands you are reraising with pre flop. At lower stakes PLO people don't reraise pre with much less than aces which makes it extremely exploitable and I'm calling (profitably) with any 4-cards if you've only put 15% of your stack in pre with your hand now more face up. Post flop in this scenario the hand plays itself as bet/calling is the best line but double suited or not I think flatting is better OOP. yeah, I am assuming he is re-raising with a much wider range than just AA obv. Yes, I'd not been at the table long, but it's fair to say that she wouldn't assume I had AAxx all the time in this spot. I think my raising range is fairly balanced and quite tight, like you mentioned, there's a lot of limps at this level, but my raising range is certainly less than AAxx double suited. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: GreekStein on July 26, 2009, 03:53:51 PM Can only say whether its standard depending on the range of hands you are reraising with pre flop. At lower stakes PLO people don't reraise pre with much less than aces which makes it extremely exploitable and I'm calling (profitably) with any 4-cards if you've only put 15% of your stack in pre with your hand now more face up. Post flop in this scenario the hand plays itself as bet/calling is the best line but double suited or not I think flatting is better OOP. Apart from that the way the hand has played out its fairly standard. Yeh I did say that in the bit you either didn't read or chose for some reason not to bolden aswell. The initial bit was just trying to help Silo by saying I don't necessarily like the line and was more general strat for similar scenarios in the future. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: maldini32 on July 26, 2009, 04:08:22 PM Can only say whether its standard depending on the range of hands you are reraising with pre flop. At lower stakes PLO people don't reraise pre with much less than aces which makes it extremely exploitable and I'm calling (profitably) with any 4-cards if you've only put 15% of your stack in pre with your hand now more face up. Post flop in this scenario the hand plays itself as bet/calling is the best line but double suited or not I think flatting is better OOP. Apart from that the way the hand has played out its fairly standard. Yeh I did say that in the bit you either didn't read or chose for some reason not to bolden aswell. The initial bit was just trying to help Silo by saying I don't necessarily like the line and was more general strat for similar scenarios in the future. I was gonna post the exact same thing but seeing as you had already typed it up, thought id save some time by quoting/bolden/making it size 12 to emphasise the point. Then after posting i realised you said the same thing for the second bit an all. So in summary i should have just quoted what you wrote as that would have +ev. I dont mind the way he's played it pre, as long as he flats there a fair percentage of time aswell. After the flop its all standard. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: EvilPie on July 27, 2009, 11:09:00 AM Can only say whether its standard depending on the range of hands you are reraising with pre flop. At lower stakes PLO people don't reraise pre with much less than aces which makes it extremely exploitable and I'm calling (profitably) with any 4-cards if you've only put 15% of your stack in pre with your hand now more face up.
Post flop in this scenario the hand plays itself as bet/calling is the best line but double suited or not I think flatting is better OOP. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: Karabiner on July 27, 2009, 11:17:46 AM Is there an echo in here ?
Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: GreekStein on July 27, 2009, 11:19:50 AM ere ere ere ere ere
Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: EvilPie on July 27, 2009, 11:25:55 AM Lol.
Just read back through the thread and realised I said exactly the same thing as Maldini. Would you believe it?? Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: GreekStein on July 27, 2009, 11:45:42 AM Lol. Just read back through the thread and realised I said exactly the same thing as Maldini. Would you believe it?? GTF outta here Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: EvilPie on July 27, 2009, 03:35:05 PM pokenum -o Ad Aspades Qs 4d - Th 6c 9s Qs -- 7d 8d 5s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 5s 8d 7d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Aspades Qs Ad 4d 384 46.83 436 53.17 0 0.00 0.468 9s Qc 6c Th 436 53.17 384 46.83 0 0.00 0.532 Your raise pre is pretty standard but as discussed by Maldini and nobody else (surprised Cos didn't spot it) needs mixing up. You c bet looks fine although it puts your aces face up. When you get raised all in I assume you know you're behind. It's costing $12.60 to call and win a potential $39.30 pot. You'll win this pot 47% of the time so that's an $18.47 return or a profit of $5.87 for your call on average. Even if you include your c bet you still make a profit on your total flop investment given the money that is in pre when you were 63% favourite. So yes it was ok. WP. OP is a cock for moaning. You're actually better off here being up against the nuts. If he had a set you're only 38% but still make an average profit of $2.33 on your call. Title: Re: Was this ok? (PLO) Post by: riverdave on July 30, 2009, 03:10:44 PM Barely worth a reply but yes SUPER STD. Maybe less so at these stakes but you don't even have to be up against the top of his range of a set or the nuts, many pair/2 pair and str8/worse flush draw combinations that would also get it in here hoping you just have bare aces and fold or they hit when you call.
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