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not a bad beat cos it's only a coin flip and I don't think I could play it differently. just want to write it down somewhere.
23 players left in the comp.
Avge chips 34000.
blinds 1500/3000
passed round to the SB who limps.
my BB and I have 3000 in the blinds and 40k back
with  8c 8h I raise 5000
SB calls. he has me covered by about 3000
pot now 16000
flop  7d 8s Js
he bets 5000
I think he has either Ax spades or J,10 / Q,J
I move in fo 35000
he calls with  9s Ts
my eyes saw an up and down straight flush draw. the  7d didnt register so when it came  Tc Kc I thought I'd dodged a load of outs. when the dealer passed him the chips the straight dawned on me.

I suppose if I've possibly got him on 10,J I ought to consider 10,9 too but I don't think I can get away. when he calls my all in 7,7 seemed most likely till they went over.

What about a bigger raise preflop?

A lot of hands will call another 5k, it is offering over 2:1.

cant get away on the flop at all.

Mine too.

I would have had him on the drawing hand there.

Nothing you can do other than raise it up more Pre.

yeah, decided in bed after I posted. raise 10k preflop. once it's come though only way I dont loose the lot is if we both go into trap check mode. the 10 on the turn is a danger card and maybe I can stop betting.

you didnt do anything wrong.

blimey, saw on the front page you'd replied and instantly went  ;scarymoment;

you dont think the preflop raise was too small?

I think it was perfect, you have position, you probably have the best hand, quite often he will call then check fold the flop. Thats the ideal scenario.

 ;iagree;

ok, thanks. bit disappointing cos I was playing a blinder up till then.

pokenum  -h 8c 8h  - 9s ts  -- 7d 8s js
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Js 8s 7d
cards  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
8c 8h  288  29.09   693  70.00    9  0.91  0.295
Ts 9s  693  70.00   288  29.09    9  0.91  0.705

Coin flip?

preflop simon. obviously Im in bad shape after the flop. even without the  7d Im behind to the up and down straight flush draw with two overs. pre flop it's a coinflip. when it goes in I'm drawing very slim. infact Im suprised to see Im 30%

The money went in on the flop though :blonde:

I know the money went in on the flop, after he'd hit the straight. His bet of 5000 turned out to be perfect to get me to move in. If I had AK he's have wasted his made straight. any over pair or set and he gets the lot.  I'm not saying it was a bad beat, or that he played badly. other than the size of my raise preflop I don't think I played badly. I'm way ahead of his most likely holdings. Obviously if I know he's flopped a straight I can pass a set easily. 
I don't know what point you're trying to make here Simon.

I kind of see Simon's point Adam. "Coin flip" is a little misleading as a heading as the pre flop odds on this hand have little to do with anything else that happened here. I was expecting an all in pre flop hand or 22 outs vs 22 blanks with one to come.

If I play a small set vs someone who overbets their big ace (as I just literally just have done) through all 5 streets it can hardly be called a coin flip when he sees that he loses at the end of 4 rounds of betting.

In terms of the hand I think you played it spot on.

Just that it wasn't a coinflip.

IMHO you played the hand correctly preflop and misreading a flop can be a real bugger. Ask Tikay :)

His flop bet stank of continuation and reeled you in.

Anyway its raining here