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The shortstack is automatically all in

The button covers me and raises

Button has only shown solid values all game long


fold, flat call or push?



PokerStars Game #4909208325: Tournament #24604706, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) -
Table '24604706 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: 4ALLTHECASH (175 in chips)
Seat 5: Pepi La Peu (2385 in chips)
Seat 6: scooterette (5840 in chips)
Seat 9: Prewie (5100 in chips)
Prewie: posts small blind 100
4ALLTHECASH: posts big blind 175 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Prewie [As Js]
Pepi La Peu: calls 200
scooterette: raises 400 to 600
Prewie: folds
Pepi La Peu: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Ks Jd]
*** TURN *** [Jc Ks Jd] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Ks Jd 2c] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
scooterette: shows [9h 9d] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
scooterette collected 50 from side pot
4ALLTHECASH: shows [Qd Qc] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
4ALLTHECASH collected 625 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 675 Main pot 625. Side pot 50. | Rake 0
Board [Jc Ks Jd 2c 4h]
Seat 4: 4ALLTHECASH (big blind) showed [Qd Qc] and won (625) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 5: Pepi La Peu folded before Flop
Seat 6: scooterette (button) showed [9h 9d] and won (50) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 9: Prewie (small blind) folded before Flop

I would flat call with As Js

I was wary of flat Calling OOP and then facing awkward decisions if an A comes


I was wary of pushing against the chip leader


I though the fold was a mistake though


Hence my post asking you guys.....

raising an all in player shows a lot of strength , 400 is cheap tho and often a pot will be checked down when there is an all in player involved. Considering this I think calling is fine here . I really dont want to push with AJ.

Fold

It wont get checked down enough and you wont hit the flop hard enough to fade the side pot action post-flop, what you will find is that you call here, and then end up getting blown out the pot too often post-flop when you miss, and also blown off it too often when you hit

If the bet was the same amount that the short-stack had, then calling would be more appealing, as there would be no side pot, and thus no battle for a side pot.. but when there is a side-pot brewing, you prolly want to just get out the way (unless you would flop trips of course)

naturally its player dependant, but hes already shown he isn't willing to tag team the A/I guy by raising preflop, so he isn't ovely likely to just want to give up and check it down on the flop

I probably would have called hear as it's reasonably cheap. i highly respect the fold however; I always get myself into trouble with AJ and this would have been such a situation on jack high flop. And as you say, even if the A comes you might find yourself trouble anyway. Good play imo.

I don't like AJ always seems to cost heavily when I play it.  I reckon I would have flat called and seen a flop, as it was still cheap.  But as you say you don't want to have to make a decision for your chips against CL when uyou don't have to if you miss the flop!

personally i would have raised with AJ to push others of the flop and leave it with me and all-in guy. more often than not he wouldnt have a decent starting hand.

It wouldn't have got through. The exact point of the first raiser was to isolate himself with the short stack.

Tbh I raise with many hands from late position in unraised pots just for the value (even on the bubble, forget the abuse that you will get), but before reading the hand history after TE's preamble, I have given the raiser a range of JJ TT 99 88 because that is a play I see so often.

With AJs its an automatic fold for me there. I want to avoid races if I can. I don't mind pushing them in first but when you know he likely has a pair and a race is the best situation you will find yourself in, its a standard pass.