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Which one is better?

I prefer PokerAce HUD for the hole card flashing facility, plus it seems less resource hungry.

BUT, it costs money (though not much) and it doesn't support Tribeca sites.

So, I have both  :D

PokerAce by a mile

What are they and what do they do?

See screenshots here:

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=2056.15

I use both together.  GT+ for the stats and PokerAce for the hole cards.

I find that GT+ is neater and easier to configure on screen for the other features.

Sheriff

I use GT+ and it is very easy to install and works well with Pokertracker.

Don’t you think using this software is cheating? If you exposed someone else’s whole cards in a live game you would be punished.

There are a lot of threads on this site about how bad cheating is but this one seems to go unnoticed.

dose any these sites come for free i don't won't to pay

am scotish you see

These programs simply use the information which the site gives you anyway, via the hand histories.  All they're doing is making the process of seeing stats from Poker Tracker (which also uses the same information source) and the mucked cards (which some sites include on their hand histories) easier to see.

Anyone can get access to the same information if they want to.  These programmes just make the process easier.  I'd hardly describe that as cheating.

Hole card information is only displayed in hand histories for hands which have gone to a showdown.  Players in a live game have the same rights to see cards in this situation although its often considered bad etiquette to ask, as this implies that you have some suspicion of collusion or impropriety.  Most people are unaware of this and ask because they just want to get a line on their opponents play.

Sheriff

Well, when pokerstars have the following on their website, its a little hard to consider it unfair.

I've never used any program to aid me while i play but the information regarding players mucked cards on pokerstars is freely available just by clicking on the instant hand history and scrolling through the hand.

Fair enough. Good posts.

I just thought that if you chose not to show your hand then I didn't think that people would be able to get that info without cheating. Like in a live game. If I didn't show my hand the only way the other players would be able to see it would be through cheating.

I accept your points though.

but some casinos have rules where you still have to show your hand at a showdown regardless of whether you have won or lost and some say you dont have to show but if your opponent requests to see your cards they have to be turned over. Different rules for different casinos and chances are its the same with online rooms as well.

Personally i always check the instant hand histories straight away on pokerstars if someone has mucked their cards in a showdown so i can guage the standard of hands he/she is willing to call down with - valuable information for later in the tournament.

I haven't used PT yet I still can't get the bloody thing to work so I'm no expert.

Someone told me yesterday that they are making a little program, I don't want to say too much about it but I understand you can analyse how your opponents play using PT I guess by spending a lot of time going through their stats and HHs and stuff. This guy is making software that will do the analysis as you are playing and make a prediction of what cards they have depending on how they are playing the hand. He is only using info that everyone can access...

I think it's pretty well known now that people have adapted SNG PT to give real time ICM calcs while they play SNGs. They are only using info that everyone...

Someone else I know who has only just started playing poker told me the other day how cool their bot is. It's making them 2 BB/100 or something at the micro limits.

I think things like PT may have started off as a cool little program to help you analyse your stats but people are expanding and tweaking it to be much more than that. Unfortunantely it's too late to do much about it now. I just hope I can make that big score before internet poker changes beyond all recogniton.

I think your post proves why we need PT rather than a case against it.

Anyone with a basic grasp of programming can easily make a little database and script that parses the hand history from their site and gives them the same stats as PT.
It would be utterly undetectable.
Its even possible to create using excel.

Would you rather everyone has access to the same information or just those who can program?

I wish non of this information was made available by the poker sites. I think it takes some of the skill away from the game. But looks like it's here to stay now and if you're serious about poker then you have to start using this software.

which programs work on tribeca??

if any??

thanks in advance

Look on the bright side though, most of the recreational players don't know its there or how it can be used to analyse and improve their game.  In fact, you could give all this information to about half the players on the site and it wouldn't change the way they played in the slightest!

The information is only as good as you make it.  It not exactly an effortless process to use it to gain an edge so its not as big a problem as you might think.

Besides, there are sites where none of this stuff works if you really don't like it.  Try one of the Boss sites (if you can stand the software).  They don't have hand histories available (never mind mucked card info!) so none of this works there!

Sheriff

All of them, Poker Tracker, GT+. and PA HUD work for cash games but not for tournaments.  However, there's no mucked card info in the hand histories that are imported so you don't get to see this information.

Sheriff

Hate to say it but thats not true. Pokertracker works fine for tournaments, as does PA HUD its just GT+ that doesnt.
Also, hand history works the same for tournament as for cash - if you went to showdown you get to see mucked hands in history.

The hand histories work the same in tournaments but there's no facility to import the tournament results into Poker Tracker.  Consequently you can't do anything with the hand histories for tournaments.

Sheriff

Wrong, Pokertracker has supported tournament hands for ages.
You know where you click for "ring game statistics".

The button next to that is for "Tournament Game Statistics".

Only thing is, except for Pokerstars you have to state the buyin of each tourney if you want record keeping as well as hand stats.

You do realise I'm talking specifically about Tribeca sites (as per the question asked) here, don't you?  Tournaments are not supported.  If you don't believe me, check out PT's website.

Sheriff

http://www.pokertracker.com/ptsupported.html

You hadn't said a single thing about Tribeca only at any point. Only person who did was Div ;)