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What is your move here?

$10/$20 on Betfair. I am playing a $29000 stack.

I was dealt  8d 8h 7d 7h on a six handed table in middle position and made it $60 to play. Everyone called to the SB who made it $200. All six players decide to see the flop.

Flop  8c 3c 3d. Bingo. SB who made the original reraise preflop bets $600. Second position calls (playing a $16000 stack).

I think that the guy who bets out has AA or KK. He could also have a 3. The caller has almost defintely got a 3. I make it $2000 to play hoping that at least one of them plays on. The original raiser passes and the other player calls.

Turn  2c There is $5800 in the middle. He checks. I don't want to make a milking bet as it makes my hand look to strong so i bet $4500. He calls.

River  Kc. Now he bets $9300 all in!!! Does anyone pass here?

Not too much information on the player. Only the second time i had played against him.

your a fish, theres no way you pass.

you called, he had aces :)

i've divided all the numbers by 10 so they make more sense to me :)

His play is consistent with K3 and 33. KK3 also.

I think you get shown K3 often enough that it's fine to call here. K3 has every reason to push the river as it's a great board for it and may well get a call off 83 or 32.

If he has a bare KK, wow he sucks and you should get your money back pretty quickly off him.

If he has 33 then ul nh wp. 

If he has nut or other flush i fall off my chair laughing.

I've a funny feeling you get shown 33 though...but i'm hoping it's a 5 hi flush.

i don't pass but i expect he has 33xx or AKK3.

as the junglecat said 83, K3 are very possible and make it a must call. If he has KK and no 3 he's just a mug and your very unlucky.

I would pass like a little girl.

I wouldn't really. His call on the turn stinks of a big hand. Either a 3 or nut flush. If he happens to have KK as well you are just unlucky I think. Call praying it wasn't 33.




Then cry when he flips it over.




 3h 3s

one of them where i would call expecting to be sick when he turns his cards over but half hoping i am winning. - what did he have?

I call, the tell him he is going to go skint as he takes down the pot....

Call and reload....for $29000!!!!


 >:?

Yeh i had to call but was kind of expecting to be shown quads.....

He had Kh Kd 3h 2d yuck

There was enough chance he had 38xx 3Kxx or even was making a play to try and make me pass....

and as royal Flush said he is gonna go skint if he plays hands like that! lol

they are all going to go skint m8

So did he hit and run, or did he stay and give it you back/redistribute around the table?

He has certainly made a loose call on the flop and turn before he hit, but I find it astonishing that people play like that with such a large amount of money in front of them. I can only assume that he is a professional footballer!

I hate to say this but if you are all calling expecting to be shown a winning hand then wtf are u calling?
He clearly has at least the 3 but there is a chance he has 33 or kk. If you look at the combinations of likely holding surely kk3x has to be one you would look at he is just as likely to have kk3x as k3xx. save the 9k and get him a while later.

Fair pont Russ, but imo its only one or the other and both are equally likely. At 9k to call with 24k in the pot and I consider that there is a 50% chance that I am right, I want to call.

Highstack - I got about 1/3 back from him then he disappeared..

Ariston - Sometimes i just have to pay people off in these situations and good luck to them if they have me beat. Its like when you suspect someone has hit set over set on me in Hold'em.

If you calculate that there is $14800 in the middle already.... adding on his $9300 all in bet that makes it $24100. For me to call is $9300. 24100/9300 is roughly 2.6

I think that price is good enough for me to call in this situation. If he can bet the pot of $14800 on the river i may fold.... thats assuming that i am not an Omaha calling station which i am.

Your going to go skint.

I agree with the call on the maths side of things but every single player said they expected they had lost on the river. If you expect you have lost then why call? I am not criticizing the call in any way because I believe 99% of players make it but the basic maths is you have the 3rd nuts- you either are beaten by the river (ie KK), you were already beat (ie 33) or the guy is a total fish whose money you will get anyway (ie k3 or 83). There are 3 possible hands and 2 of them beat you so just fold and get him anyway. How many times are you going to play a pot of 24k with someone so poor? In the long run it is the correct +EV call assuming there is a long run with this player and you can play similar pots with him again.

Is that not 4 hands?
2 beating you, kk, 33
2 not, 83, k3....
Is that not basic maths?

k3/k8 is the same hand to me ie 3s full (only a complete numpty would stick 9k in on river with either of these). technically 4 hands but I would rule out both of them and fold the river.

Part of the reason why most people said they expected Ben to lose this hand is that most hands posted like this have a tragic ending.

It's an interesting hand though. I think the guy didn't play it well, which shows he is probably capable of pushing 83(maybe) and K3 on the river for value. He clearly felt his 33322 was probably good on the turn, so he will be feeling his KK333 is good on the river and pushing for value would be consistent with the rest of his play in my eyes.

I think these hands will turn up in his range often enough that you make money by calling the river.