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Game #2402861674: Omaha PL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/05/17 - 19:21:09 (UK)
Table "Xirula" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 3: thorin ($47 in chips)
Seat 5: Ben33 ($33.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Neskolado ($44.35 in chips)
Seat 7: Last1Seed ($39.58 in chips)
Seat 8: snook ($47 in chips)
Seat 9: homerS ($24.74 in chips)
Seat 10: Foaming_h ($66.20 in chips)
snook: posts small blind $0.25
homerS: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Foaming_h [6d 8d 9h 2s]
Foaming_h: calls $0.50
thorin: folds
Ben33: calls $0.50
Neskolado: folds
Apple1996 joins the table at seat #1
Last1Seed: folds
snook: folds
homerS: checks
----- FLOP ----- [5d 7d 4c]
homerS: checks
Foaming_h: bets $1
Ben33: calls $1
homerS: folds
----- TURN ----- [5d 7d 4c][9d]
Foaming_h: checks
Ben33: bets $2.50
Foaming_h: raises to $7
Ben33: calls $4.50
----- RIVER ----- [5d 7d 4c 9d][Qc]
Foaming_h: bets $11
Ben33: calls $11
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Foaming_h: shows [6d 8d 9h 2s] (Straight Flush, Nine high)
Ben33: shows [Jd Kd 4h 8h] (A Flush, King high)
Foaming_h collects $37.80 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $39.75 Main pot $37.80 Rake $1.95
Board [5d 7d 4c 9d Qc]
Seat 3: thorin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Ben33 showed [Jd Kd 4h 8h] and lost
Seat 6: Neskolado folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Last1Seed (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: snook (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: homerS (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 10: Foaming_h showed [6d 8d 9h 2s] and won ($37.80) with Straight Flush, Nine high

Comments, suggestions anyone, I'm still a bit of a cashgame fish.

Looks like it is all straight forward stuff to me.
the check raise on the turn maximised the pot in this case (as the opponent only had the King flush)
if the opponent had the ace flush, then a check call on the turn, and a check raise on the river would have generated a bigger pot
however in this case, your opponent may well have checked the river, or passed to the re-raise, as he should be scared of the Ace flush
 ;tk;

Is everyone going bust with the nut flush in this scenario? I have had that situation twice and almost folded the 2nd one to a good player but it all went in anyway and i was annoyed at myself for not folding to his only feasible hand.

with $35 infront of me and in a 25c-50c i am going broke all day long

Nice to see such honesty from a poker player

Forget the limits, say it is the biggest cash game of your life. You still going broke?

if i am playing deep against good players then yes you can get away from the nut flush

the junglecat showing his usual respect for your game flushy.

We should have heads up grudge matches for the people who bait eachother all day long on here, the rail would be huge.

depends on the villain. If you are playing against the Ben Grundys of the world and you pot, and he re-pots you, then you have to think to yourself what hand can he call with that I can beat? would he really call a 3-bet with the K? if the answer is no, then its quite easy to just call when a good player pops you back, as they either have no hand, or the nut hand. I was at a table with chufty on stars the other day, and someone potted into him, and he just called with QQ on a 3Q3xx board where xx were both under the Q, coz the guy he was up against was such a nit he either pots with quads or nothing, so repotting is almost valueless. Its a game that relies so much on opponents tendanices, much more so then holdem

Against your run of the mill lower limit guys, they will get their stack in routinely with non-nut hands, so you tend to have to pay em off the times you are coolered, as you are leaving too much on the table the times they pay you off with a second best hand, and they do that a hell of a lot more then the times you pay em off


As for the hand in question, Id just carry on a lead the turn. In PL its essential to build pots, and check-raising turns like this let people go into a shell, and lead/calling the turn and checking the river isn't a line people take with a nut hand, so he is much more likely to marry whatever hand he has.. lets not forget we dont even know his hand, and if he has the A, we get his stack anyways, if he has the non-nut flush, we can prolly fool him into thinking his hand is the best, and if he has absolutely nothing, it gives him a chance to bluff off some chips

We do occasionaly have marathon HU sessions, he has been owned the last few times....MUG!

However he is caining me in the hi lo cash, grrr.

If you have the nut flush and bet and are reraised on the river by a good player when there is a straight flush on board what is he reraising you with? He isnt going to do it with the king flush if he is a good player because you can only call his raise if you have the nut flush meaning he loses. If he has the king flush its either good or it isn't- raising is not an option, with the king flush he just calls you. This means if you are reraised on the river by a player you know and respect it is easy to get away from the 2nd nuts (omaha is a game of the nuts don't forget). There is the play where he believes you have the bare ace and he has no hand so he reraises you off your naked ace but that would need a whole other explanation and you need to know your player very well to play that advanced.

I lost a $1500 pot a few months ago on bluesq with the nut flush against a back doored str8 flush on an unpaired board.  I so nearly folded on the river. - I was making all the betting in position. On the river - he bet 1/3 of the pot. - i took this as a 'stopper' bet with the King flush and re-raised not considering i was beat as the middling diamonds came turn and river. - he moved all-in and i thought for the maximum before calling - i was nearly sick.

so in conclusion - YES, i probably would go bust in this situation, however this situation is slightly different as the str8 flush draw is clearly possible after the flop and on the turn it gets worse. - I certainly wouldn't be going bust like this player with the KING flush!

Flat call from first position with that? eewwwww

 :D

I  ;iagree;  that is a shocking call. turned out alright though

no way is that a shocking call, any 4 cards will do cheap pre flop in omaha from any position. Read Grundy's blog. He one of the most succesful online omaha players in the world. You'll find him raising with that UTG.

My first post was made from a tournament prespective as monkey doesnt do cash games. The lonely 2s on the end just looks too ugly to make me want to get involved in the hand. In first position its an automatic fold every time for this hand.

yup, your right though, tournament omaha play is totally different from cash game play.

I disagree.

Ben can get away with it because he is a class player and is playing against better players.

That is not the case with no flops and 50c game (no offence i mean it in the same way as what dan negreanu and gus hansen do in holdem is not right for decent players, you have to be sheer class)