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Average stack is 16k whats the play?


Multi-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
MTT Table 7 9263915-77 Holdem No Limit 300/600
[May 19 20:36:16] : Hand Start.
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 1 : bigpappy has $2,830
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 2 : djjohno has $14,720
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 3 : JBiatch has $12,460
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 4 : CantLoose has $52,430
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 5 : Flush Royal has $24,720
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 7 : JoseElLoco2 has $21,550
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 8 : jimbow1968 has $37,530
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 9 : leemoore has $11,510
[May 19 20:36:16] : 'Dead button' is at seat 5
[May 19 20:36:16] : JoseElLoco2 posted small blind.
[May 19 20:36:16] : jimbow1968 posted big blind.
[May 19 20:36:16] : Game [77] started with 8 players.
[May 19 20:36:16] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[May 19 20:36:16] : Seat 5 : Flush Royal has Ks Ac
[May 19 20:36:20] : leemoore called 600
[May 19 20:36:21] : bigpappy folded.
[May 19 20:36:22] : djjohno folded.
[May 19 20:36:22] : JBiatch folded.
[May 19 20:36:22] : CantLoose folded.
[May 19 20:36:26] : Flush Royal called 600 and raised 2,400
[May 19 20:36:30] : JoseElLoco2 folded.
[May 19 20:36:33] : jimbow1968 called 2,400
[May 19 20:36:36] : leemoore called 2,400
[May 19 20:36:36] : Dealing flop.
[May 19 20:36:36] : Board cards [Qd 7c Kd]
[May 19 20:36:44] : jimbow1968 bet 2,400
[May 19 20:36:50] : leemoore folded.
[May 19 20:36:54] : JoseElLoco2 : huge pot comin

Raise to 9k

The guy has bet into to you when the flop has to have hit you, i would be worried about being ahead here. I disagree with a big reraise cos you are committing yourself. I think you flat call and see what he does on the turn. I think you are going to struggle to keep this pot small so you might want to save your reraise for the turn cos it might also buy you a free showdown.

I would guess they are drawing

i reckon you have the best hand right now....

but the tourney is on the line..tough one...depends on how u read them..if they are tight proceed with extreme caution,if loose make em pay for their draw

if they have trips ur in trouble...its very possible

u of course have to isolate to get to a HU..so a raise of 1/2 pot is necessary here

but if u read them tight i would chk/fold to the raise..u have time and chips for a better position

tuff call..how did it go?

Leemoore has already folded.

god im tired


sorry forget my raving

I think I am with Bazza here and making a hefty re-raise.  If any of them have a hand then so be it, but you have TPTK from the information there I reckon your up against AQ or a flush draw.  Either way I am happy to take the pot just now with whats in it.

What happened Flushie?

I pushed, but i am not sure if it was the right thing to do or not, i felt his bet could represent 77 or it could be a block bet with str8/fd

Did he/she call?

yep!

KQ or pocket 7's? ;)

I dont remember what he had....

 :D ;fish;

The villain either has 10-J and is looking for a cheap draw - making a stopper bet hoping you just call.  They could have AQ, KJ or alike and are placing a feeler bet but they could have trip 7-7-7 or QK and is hoping you push.  If you re-rasie and they push all-in then you are in trouble and are pretty much committed so the only reraise to make is all-in but you probably only get called by a worse hand. - its a real tough one. I would have to go on my instinct at the time and my information on the oppo's. - Push isn't far wrong here though but there aren't many (if any) worse hands that call you - all you are doing is taking the pot there and then and pricing out the draws. -

what happened?

cheers, nice post.

Like i said i did push he did call, with KQ :(

I was expecting 77 rather than KQ, a bit of a danger hand for him to call against a big stack OOP

I'd raise everytime here. If he has KQ good luck to him. He'll need it.

Funny....those were my words, followed by "if it just comes K hi that muppet stacks off to me"

I would be pushing because I think I am good right now. Your oppo played KQo out of position preflop and you can't read that easily.  I would be prepared to put them to the test and make them pay for any draws.

My best guess would have been he also had AK and was a split pot. A bit unlucky mate and regardless of what some may say, I think that many of us could easily go broke here.

there is no reason to raise, just call.

If he is ahead you don't want to raise, if you are ahead you don't want to scare him off you want him to bet it for you.
If he is drawing you want him out on the turn not the flop.

So just call.

So if i call there is 15k in there and i have 15k back, the turn comes an offsuit 9, he bets again, i pass?

i think over 50% of the time your ahead.

so push, enough in the pot to push instead of raising to 9k or whatever, because that is committing yourself to a re raise anyway.

pushing also might entice AQ/JJ etc to call whereas raising to 9k looks too strong

no, you move all in on the turn...............usually.
On the turn it will depend on several factors but usually all in.
Somtimes you lose, but long term this is more profitable than raising on the flop because you let him off the hook when he is behind and only have company when you are beat.
On the turn you are more likely to have hooked a hand and less likely to hook a draw.

too may different cards can come on the turn to make me pass to any bet.

i think you can entice calls from weaker hands with an all in bet on the flop...

and if your pushing on the turn,

a; your opponent may have made a stronger hand

b; your hand looks much stronger

turn cards may scare him also.
his stronger hand may still be behind yours, also the turn may make your hand stronger so this is irrelevant.
Bottom line is..................with 1 card to go the guy on a draw is less likely to be calling and the guy with a ahnd is more tied in to the pot than he was because the pot is now as big as your stack.

If he comes out betting big on the turn then i fold unless i improve. If he doesn't then i would min raise him, (i believe it would look strong, he has to think the flop helped me somehow). If he reraises me there i'm beat. if he calls then leads into me on the river i'm beat. It's the only to escape the situation with some chips. I said earlier that i would be worried about him being ahead here (i.e. two pair or a set) and i don't think he is likely to lay his hand down on the river. I would check behind him if he checked to me on the river.

The point is that he isn't bluffing, unless he's a moron. His flop bet could be a probe bet and once you call he's only betting if he thinks he's ahead.

Sunday/Clay both very good points of view, and i often play both styles in this kind of hand.

Very wise.

like flushy says though.

theres 15k in the pot, and he has 15k behind, no need to get cute here in my opinion.

I agree, that is why you move on the turn.
Standard stuff

agree to disagree then :D

Well, royal Flush is right, you have to be fluid and know how to play a given hand in many ways so we can have a favourite way but be open to different moves at different times

'adaptation', i totally agree with you.

see, we were both wrong :D

hehe

all in on flop for me, make him pay for any draws, it may look weak and may atract AQ into calling the bet. now way imo can you call the bet and go to the turn