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Title: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Bazzaboy on May 23, 2006, 09:16:08 PM Ok here is the scenario (this is not a bad beat btw). WSOP qualifier, 26seats (27-33 get buyin back), i'm 33rd of the 34 runners remaining. Villain in the SB is relatively comfortable in 18th (26th had 21k in chips), he could probably have folded his way to a seat. Now if he calls and wins he is guaranteed a seat, if he passes he is still in decent shape, if he calls and loses he is in trouble. If you were in his shoes what would you need to call here?
PokerStars Game #5013922000: Tournament #24551914, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2006/05/22 - 00:05:38 (ET) Table '24551914 57' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: K's full A's (27330 in chips) Seat 2: VILLAIN (29158 in chips) Seat 3: AITF (15380 in chips) Seat 4: WhenPigsFly (34651 in chips) Seat 5: stino7 (8301 in chips) Seat 6: Junior71930 (63716 in chips) Seat 7: chrille_swe (49235 in chips) Seat 8: Per Hansen (49738 in chips) Seat 9: rjsphx (21665 in chips) K's full A's: posts the ante 75 VILLAIN: posts the ante 75 AITF: posts the ante 75 WhenPigsFly: posts the ante 75 stino7: posts the ante 75 Junior71930: posts the ante 75 chrille_swe: posts the ante 75 Per Hansen: posts the ante 75 rjsphx: posts the ante 75 VILLAIN: posts small blind 600 AITF: posts big blind 1200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to AITF [xx xx] WhenPigsFly: folds stino7: folds Junior71930: folds chrille_swe: folds Per Hansen: folds rjsphx: folds K's full A's: folds VILLAIN: raises 2400 to 3600 stino7 said, "slow play please" stino7 said, "lol" AITF: raises 11705 to 15305 and is all-in Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Hairydude on May 23, 2006, 09:28:36 PM I'd only call with AA KK and possibly QQ depending what the player I had raised was like- I wouldnt even call with AK or JJ
Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Graham C on May 23, 2006, 10:25:34 PM Having gone out on a bubble with AA before, I'd say just fold.
I have to say that I would probably call only with AA though. Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: TightEnd on May 24, 2006, 12:01:56 AM Pass all bar AA/KK
Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: NoflopsHomer on May 24, 2006, 12:08:36 AM Pass all bar AA/KK I agree, and even still there is a case to fold them preflop. Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Royal Flush on May 24, 2006, 01:09:59 AM I dont think the guy is a lock for the seat. I call QQ+
Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: The Baron on May 24, 2006, 03:17:41 AM I would consider passing KK here.
Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: The Baron on May 24, 2006, 03:21:39 AM All it takes is a rag ace to hit and you're gone with KK. I'd pass all bar AA.
Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Highstack on May 24, 2006, 12:00:46 PM Errrrr......no!
This guy would still be in if he misses. I can understand everyone saying they pass big hands here, because as one of the shorter stacks, they would only expect you to have a big hand or try to hang on but let me put a different perspective on this...... Obviously you don't want to let your stack become so short that it will be an automatic call. At the moment with your bet there is 20k in the pot and its 11k to call. This is late in a wsop qualifier so you would expect everyone to be able to 'play'. With this knowledge, does this not mean that you are able to open your range here so much more than you would normally be able to? This could mean that you are almost playing atc albeit that you have done the right thing by getting em all in first. It is always more difficult to push than to call and if you suspected that he was attempting to push the blinds of the shorter stacks around (only you will know his table image), then this could be a welcome addition to your stack. To be fair Bazza I have known you pass acces pre because they weren't suited, so maybe YOU genuinely had the goods and I might pass, but another time my calling range could be much wider than that suggested above. Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Highstack on May 24, 2006, 01:56:03 PM Btw, I forgot to add Bazza, congratulations on your success. I saw on bf that you qualified.
Good luck mate. Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Bazzaboy on May 24, 2006, 02:10:02 PM Well here is what happened. I felt it was ideal time for a re-steal. I believed he was raising with ATC to pick up what was in the middle, I was getting short but not yet desperate, however it was becoming increasingly difficult for me to steal with Stino being very short and a couple chipped up players who could take a "free" shot at KOing me. Therefore I didn't want to ante down to a level where I was guaranteed a caller if I pushed. The key for me though was the villains stack, calling my all-in would hurt him badly were he to lose therefore I felt he would only caller with a monster.......I was wrong. His chips beat mine into the pot and I was convinced he was going to show me AA or KK......again I was wrong. I was truly stunned at the call, and was hurling all sorts of abuse at the screen until that 9 landed :D
PokerStars Game #5013922000: Tournament #24551914, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2006/05/22 - 00:05:38 (ET) Table '24551914 57' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: K's full A's (27330 in chips) Seat 2: VILLAIN (29158 in chips) Seat 3: AITF (15380 in chips) Seat 4: WhenPigsFly (34651 in chips) Seat 5: stino7 (8301 in chips) Seat 6: Junior71930 (63716 in chips) Seat 7: chrille_swe (49235 in chips) Seat 8: Per Hansen (49738 in chips) Seat 9: rjsphx (21665 in chips) K's full A's: posts the ante 75 VILLAIN: posts the ante 75 AITF: posts the ante 75 WhenPigsFly: posts the ante 75 stino7: posts the ante 75 Junior71930: posts the ante 75 chrille_swe: posts the ante 75 Per Hansen: posts the ante 75 rjsphx: posts the ante 75 VILLAIN: posts small blind 600 AITF: posts big blind 1200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to AITF [9d 6s] WhenPigsFly: folds stino7: folds Junior71930: folds chrille_swe: folds Per Hansen: folds rjsphx: folds K's full A's: folds VILLAIN: raises 2400 to 3600 stino7 said, "slow play please" stino7 said, "lol" AITF: raises 11705 to 15305 and is all-in VILLAIN: calls 11705 *** FLOP *** [Td As Kc] *** TURN *** [Td As Kc] [Qc] *** RIVER *** [Td As Kc Qc] [9s] *** SHOW DOWN *** VILLAIN: shows [4c 4s] (a pair of Fours) AITF: shows [9d 6s] (a pair of Nines) AITF collected 31285 from pot VILLAIN said, "idiot" 8) *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 31285 | Rake 0 Board [Td As Kc Qc 9s] Seat 1: K's full A's (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: VILLAIN (small blind) showed [4c 4s] and lost with a pair of Fours Seat 3: AITF (big blind) showed [9d 6s] and won (31285) with a pair of Nines Seat 4: WhenPigsFly folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: stino7 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Junior71930 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: chrille_swe folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Per Hansen folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: rjsphx folded before Flop (didn't bet) Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Bazzaboy on May 24, 2006, 02:10:40 PM Cheers HS
Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Highstack on May 24, 2006, 02:21:03 PM I think that was a great hand from start to finish and no need for him to say 'idiot'.
As above I correctly suggested that it was possible you could make this play here and if he didn't belive you for any hand he was getting almost 2/1 his money in a race situation. If he did it for the right reasons and not because he is an "I have a pair" merchant, then it was good moving all round. He somewhat spoilt it with his comment. For future plays like that, I do like the restal and I would be prepared to be all in if asked the question with atc, but I prefer the reraise to be to something like 10800 (treble his bet) even though you only have 15k to begin. Although you are still committed I think this looks like a much stronger when nursing a short stack, rather than just dumping them in. Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: BigTomatoes on May 24, 2006, 04:42:31 PM i would have passed wait for a better spot to try and double up you have less than 5 rounds left at the table , but time to pick up a decent hand to go with. why risk your chance of winning a seat at the WSOP being fancy with 96 offsuit ? Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Sunday8pm on May 24, 2006, 04:45:23 PM Well here is what happened. I felt it was ideal time for a re-steal. I believed he was raising with ATC to pick up what was in the middle, I was getting short but not yet desperate, however it was becoming increasingly difficult for me to steal with Stino being very short and a couple chipped up players who could take a "free" shot at KOing me. Therefore I didn't want to ante down to a level where I was guaranteed a caller if I pushed. The key for me though was the villains stack, calling my all-in would hurt him badly were he to lose therefore I felt he would only caller with a monster.......I was wrong. His chips beat mine into the pot and I was convinced he was going to show me AA or KK......again I was wrong. I was truly stunned at the call, and was hurling all sorts of abuse at the screen until that 9 landed Cheesy
Very well put Bazza, at first im thinking your a nutter, but then i read your thoughts behind the play and it seems a pretty valid move to me. BIG COHONAS are needed to do that though :D Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Bazzaboy on May 24, 2006, 07:19:45 PM i would have passed wait for a better spot to try and double up you have less than 5 rounds left at the table , but time to pick up a decent hand to go with. why risk your chance of winning a seat at the WSOP being fancy with 96 offsuit ? I wondered if I was a bit rash but was pretty sure it'd get through, if I have more/fewer chips I pass; if he has more/fewer chips I pass; and if I knew he was going to make a crazy call obviously I'd pass. Only hands I could see him playing like that were AA KK and possibly QQ, weaker holdings that he wasn't going to pass he'd have surely pushed preflop (well that was my thinking anyway). As for a better spot it may or may not have come, I'm happier here trying to increase my stack by >30% without a showdown than having to call for all my chips a few rounds later with JJ, TT, AK etc and possibly end up in a multiway pot (as happened to others). I don't want all my chips in the middle on a coinflip or a 60/40 at this stage (I know thats what happened but wasn't the plan lol), I want to pick up chips uncontested. Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: Bazzaboy on May 24, 2006, 07:20:41 PM BIG COHONAS are needed to do that though :D They didn't half shrivel up when he clicked call!!! 8) Title: Re: What do you need to call here?? Post by: MrDigital on May 31, 2006, 02:40:42 PM l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0lllll000ll, l0l0l0l0l0l0l, l0l0l0ll00l0l0ll0, WP GG N1.
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