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I am going to stick some money on england and the best price I can see is 9.2 on betfair. I would expect these odds to be lower because its a British site and more money being put on England there. Does anyone know where the best odds can be found, perhaps an overseas site?

best I can find is also on betfair-looks as tho thats the best you'll get- but paddypower are doing a good insurance bet that if the team you bet on gets knocked out in penatlies at any stage of the tournament knockout stages, then you get a full refund on your money- not bad considering your past record in penalties and get england at 8.0 so for the extra 1.2 I think its quite good insurance

With Crouchaldinho England should be considered evens.

I'l give you 9.3  ;goodvevil;

How much are you looking to spend?

9.3 are terrible odds, should be at least 18/1

Give him 10.0 Tank your still guaranteed to make a profit.

There is a fortune to be amde on Betfair during WC by laying Engerlund!

england have a good chance- but the odds are poor, 12-1 and im all over it.
crucial factor being if brazil and england win thier groups they avoid each other till final

2 things, England would have to win thier group. Then they would still get smashed in the final.

England are not in the top 8 teams, why do people always consider them contenders?!?

England are definitely in the top eight and are serious contenders. We definitely want to win the group or our likely route is Germany => Argentina / Holland => Brazil which is pretty scary.

List which teams have a better chance....

Brazil

Paraguay

sweden

Trinidad & Tobago

saudi arabia,they will smash spain and ukraine then go on to kick frances a$$

easy!

easy!

easy!

LOL, spot the jealous guys in this thread.

It's nowt to do with jealousy or bigotry. It's a cultural thing we wouldn't expect you to understand.  8)

I think party IFM, but England are always overhyped, if you took an objective view of the England squad and really looked at the players, you would find it hard to see them having a chance.

Of course Greece proved anything can happen!

i disagree, first time in years i think they have a chance.

To win the world cup you need a team of world class players. Who in the England side is top of thier game?

I count 3. Terry, Gerrard and Rooney.

Robinson - class.

Possibly the best full backs around, definately the best left back - even Nemesis will admit that!

Good central defence.

Amazing centre midfield.

Wingers who provide differing qualities from both set plays and open play. (If Joe Cole isn't at the top of his game someone needs to watch Chelsea more and Becks has had his best 6 months in about 5 years)

Rooney/Owen = goals.

The X factor - Crouchaldinho!

This is probably better than the 1990 team.

Now i know you're joking, either that or you know absolutely nothing about football.

Flushie's very anti england.

Don't worry when he is watching us playing paraguay and booing when england score, I don't think his poker skills are going to get him out of trouble.
Only 6 months ago he was mocking gerrard as being "overrated" although he now has backpedalled and pretended he always thought he was class.

Best thing to do is laugh, call him mug and school him at heads up. Works for me!



England are always a terrible bet in the world cup because the odds are always so bad due to the money that goes on them. I think we need a hell of a lot of things to go right for us if we are to win the world cup.

BUT I BELIEVE!!!!!!

england on paper, blah blah blah, what have england done in the last 18 months on the park to warrant this insane optimism? yous are building youre selfs up for the usuall fall,then it will be death threats to players and smashing up bars, nice one!

for the first time in my generation our best starting 11 are all world class. International football is, in many ways about partnerships, because you have players from different teams, or even different leagues playing together. Ferdinand and Terry play well together, Cole / Cole and Neville / Beckham both move and overlap well. Gerrard and Lampard are learning to take it in turns to move forward and Owen/Rooney is a partnership that'll worry ANY defence in the comp (as will Gerrard and Lampard)
I'm not sure the SQUAD has the quality but the 1st choice 11 is frighteningly good. We're far from favourites but to say we're not amongst the top 8 is just silly. Brazil will take us seriously, why shouldnt the fans?

 ;iagree; :goodpost:

LOL this is brilliant!!

I love the optimism. 

But your boys will be home before the end of June.

I'll have a friendly fiver with you we make the quarters bandit

Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It's like a fish with KK on an A hi board, they just can't see the A there!

Shouldn't bee too difficult unless you come up against Germany in the 2nd round.  I'll make it a friendly £10 yous don't make the semis!!

WE HEAR THIS EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT!!!!

EVERY SINGLE TIME, ITS "THIS IS OUR BEST CHANCE SINCE 1966". I BET YOU LOT WERE SAYING THAT IN 1970!!!

(No caps lock wasnt stuck on, i just wanted to shout!!!)

On a different thread http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=9902.105 i offer odds of 1000-1 against England and still havent had any takers.

Maybe i'm not giving enough value? ???

Germany? What is this obsession with so called "big nations"? Germany, France and Italy all have their worst teams in years.

Man for man, anyone who thinks England don't have a chance needs to watch some more football.

Please, with the exception of Brazil, someone show me a better international XI from one country. Go on... make me laugh. I cant wait to see this.

Well list the England 11 then, not the best 11, the 11 who can actually play Tomorrow.

                Robinson

Neville   Ferdinand  Terry  Cole

Beckham Lampard Gerrard Cole

        Owen   Crouchaldinho (Rooney when he's fit)



Come on then - let's see these amazing first XI's that are better than that. I need a laugh.

South Korea's XI

Ping

Sing   Bling   Bling   Zing

Ko   Mo    Jo    Po

La-La   Tinky Winky

teams written on paper dont win world cups, players performances on the day does. Lets see which team has the skill and tactical awareness to perform the best 7 times in the next 30 days.............

Then we will resume this thread then

Fair comment. It's the reason I haven't backed England - I haven't seen them do enough as a team to warrant a belief they will win it.

This is a far cry from claiming that their first XI isn't world class though, because quite simply, it is. Considering the poor state of some other teams in the competition England have to be considered a top 3 or 4 nation IMO.

Trying to claim otherwise is a bit silly considering the calibre of some of their players.

Next thing, someone will be telling me that Brazil, whilst full of great individuals, don't have what it takes to be considered contenders! :D

I agree with what you are saying about Englands first XI being one of the best in the tournament, but when things aren't going to plan (as has happened in previous major tournaments) will they have the tactical awareness to come up with plan B or plan C - does Sven even have a plan B or C?

This will be the first Major championship in about 16 years where i havent placed a bet on any of the overall outcomes, winner, top scorer etc because there just isnt anything that stands out as great value - every one of the leading contenders can lay claims to being able to field a quality first 11 but then all have several negative points as well which are not taken into consideration when it comes to the prices.

To be honest i will probably have a few correct score/first goalscorer bets on individual games but thats about it for this world cup. 

Robinson, world class? Me thinks not, he is nothing compared to keepers like Buffon.

Neville, thats a joke in itself. Rio and Cole are both very good players, but not world beaters. Terry is at the top of his field, he is a world class player.

Beckham again fits in the catergory of a top player, but i cant see him in a world XI! Same for Lampard and Cole. Gerrard is again top of his game, no better centre midfielder at the moment, but is he fit? Who knows.

Owen, just of from a long injury, who knows how he will play. Crouch, seriously?

I agree. This is where england's downfall will be. If only we had big Phil.

Robinson is not in the Casillas/Buffon mould as you point out but he's a top 5 keeper. (Look how Arsenal went a year unbeaten with Jens Lehmann and Liverpool won the Champions League with Dudek!!!! The back 4 plays a bigger role.)

Neville and Cole were the best two full backs at Euro 2004 by far. I don't understand why England's most capped player, the guy who's won everything at club level is a joke? Maybe you could explain that one to me. Also I cant think of a better left back in the world than Ashley Cole.

Rio Ferdinand was (until this season) considered the best centre half in the world and was England's best player in the 2002 World Cup. If he can be bothered he's the best centre half on earth. With big Sol and a ridiculously consistent Carragher to replace him I don't think he's a worry.

Terry - as you say - is at the top of his game.

Beckham, may not be at his peak any more but is still deadly from any set piece as the last 3 England games have proved. He has also played well for Madrid the last 6 months or so.

Lampard - what was it? 18 goals this season from midfield??

Gerrard. Nuff said.

Cole - a funny one coz I always disliked him but this season he's been different class. Pele said he was a Brazilian. Far and away the most improved England player and a threat to anyone as he showed against Barcelona the last two years. Anyone who keeps Robben/Duff/SWP on the bench has to be class.

Owen - the guy has 1 goal every 2 games at every level and is England's 4th highest scorer ever at 26. I agree he is probably not 100% fit but when he is he turns entrie games.

Crouchaldinho - 12 goals this season as a target man. 5 in his last 3 England games. By no means a world beater but he causes problems. More importantly, with Rooney coming back - who cares?

Rooney (when he's back) - nuff said.

Now we can agree or disagree all day long, but show me an inetrnational XI from another country that compares. Brazil don't count.

ok, you're on

OK Baron Ill give it a bash,

player for player I'd say Italy have a stronger team than England-and altho Im scottish this is a strictly objective view:

Buffon(best Keeper in the world and better than Robinson by a stretch)

Zacardo(inexperienced and untested tho had a great season in serie A but Neville would win this battle due to experience)

Centre backs: Cannavaro and Nesta(John terry is on par with these players but the rest of england centre halfs are not anywhere near-possibly the best centre back partnership in the tournament)

Zambrotta: superb Juventus Fullback with vast experience, different type of fullback than Cole, a bit more defensive but rock solid and probably a better defender than cole tho for coles attacking abilities I would tie this

Camoranesi: has proved one of the best attacking midfielders in the past 12 months and everybit as good as Lampard if not better- would also tie this between the 2

Pirlo: has been excellent for Milan for the past 2 years his dead ball freekicks are more deadly than Beckhams and he would win this battle for me-even though Beckham has played well over the past 6 months Pirlo is technically a better player tho less experienced

Gattusso: excellent player who always fights for everything-a lot more defensive than Gerrard but never gives up. Gerrad IMO is the on form player at the moment and probably the best midfielder in the world at the moment-including over Ronaldinho so Gerrad would have to win this

Totti: I think Italy will play Totti on the left and by default wins hands down against any left sided midfielders England have, hes superb tho his temperament lets him down a bit- Joe cole looks likely to be employed down the left and although had a great season with Chelsea and got all the tricks in the book Totti is by a country mile a better player who also scores a lot more Goals

Laca Toni: Italys poacher and first player to score over 30 goals in serie A in something like 40 years- in terms of recent form better than, Crouch better than Owen, better than Walcott-simply superb player and expect him at Milan or Juve either this year or next

Del Piero: not had the greatest of seasons tho still a mainstay in the Juve squad-his last world cup and he'll want to make it a good one-last chance to get his hands on the world cup: over Rooney: if Rooney is only half fit I think Del Piero would win the battle but a fully fit Rooney is better-results pending depending which rooney you have

overall I would say Italy have a better 11 first team starters BUT they also have quality in depth- they have numerous players who can come in and cover for any of these players: Gilardino, Rossi, Inzaghi, peruzzi, Materazzi, Perotta, Iaquinta

I don't doubt the fact that England have  couple of World Class players in their team but I tend to agree with what Flushy says.  They don't have the tactical awreness to change things when it starts to go pear shaped.

John Terry and Steven Gerrard for me are the two best players in ther positiona nd would walk into any team on the planet.  Probelm is though for Gerrard that Sven doesn't give him the freedom he needs to be able to produce his most outstanding performance.

The rest of the team has some good players, Beckham can cross and pass a ball but when he's stuck on the right habd side he gives you nothing unless he has the ball at his feet. 

Paul Roboinson is the ebst English goalkeeper bu that doesn;t say much as most of the top clubs in the Premiership have stoppers other clubs.  I would say that Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United and  Newcastle all have beeter goalies.

Gary Neville is an experienced right back who gets foward hes dependable and solid but put him up against anyone with pace and skill and he will be slaughtered.

Rio is Mr Cool, makes too many silly mistakes yes he was a top defender 4 years ago bit now he owuldn't even get a starting place for me.

Ashley Cole, he is a great wingback brilliant and getting foward but not the best defender in the world.

Frank Lampard, great goal scoring midfielder but like there are tons of them throughout Europe.

Joe Cole is tricky but there not always an end product.

Owen is a natural goal scorer and as long as chances are amde he will score but again there are many better players for other nations.

Crouch, well  why is he going in the first place?  I have never rated the guy.  I think its a crying shame that hes going and a cracking player like Jermaine Defoe isn't.  Sure he has scored a few goals of late but as soon as he misses a few chances the head goes down and he couldn't hit a barn door.

 

This "world class team" got ourplayed by Paraquay, nuff said.

In the 2nd half yes. Not in the first whatsoever.

Good choices Hairy.

I agree about Buffon and Zacardo. The centre half pairing is splitting hairs IMO. Both England's and yours are fantastic - there's nothing between them. Zambrotta plays on the right? Anyway he is a fantastic player and I would match with Cole yes but probably put him ahead of Neville.

Camoranesi I always hear great things about but he never does it where it matters - in the Champions League. I rate Lampard higher. Gattuso I'm a huge fan of but he wont compare to Gerrard on current form.

Pirlo over Beckham - fair enough. Totti over Cole is a tough one. Over the years I have to agree but in the last 2 years I'm not so sure. Cole has been different class in the the PREM and the CL the last 2 years. Totti suffers from never having left Roma and I don't remember the last good European game he had.

Your striker choices are a bit odd. No Inzaghi, no Gilardino? I do think you have better depth in strikers, I only rate England's first two and neither of them are fit right now. An in form Owen/Rooney I would match against any two though. Unfortunately Owen looks rubbish/unfit and Rooney is buggered.

Fine, just ask in the next games if England can just play for 45 minutes.....

Not their best performance I admit, in fact they wont go far at all on games like that. The rest of their scheduled kick offs are evening games though so I'm sure they'll improve.

Also playing badly against small teams doesn't stop countries from being world class.

Argentina were matched by Ivory Coast for long periods of their game.

Holland had an even 2nd half vs Serbia.

Sweden couldn't score past a 10 man Trinidad and Tobago.

Are these teams not world class either now?

they both won there groups and look like playin each other in the semis?