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Title: Recommended watching...
Post by: Rooky9 on June 02, 2006, 02:27:01 PM
I have just watched a downloaded documentary, 'Loose Change'. It ia an absolute must see if you have a curious mind and/or investigative nature.

It is on the 9/11 attacks. After my visit to NY in April I decided I would definatly aim to spend some part of my career over there. Now I am not so sure.

I sat absolutely godsmacked at several different points in this film, even being aware of the previously documented conpiracy theories.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: ifm on June 02, 2006, 02:54:14 PM
you can watch it online 
seeloosechange.com/


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Sark79 on June 02, 2006, 03:46:26 PM
I will check it out mate,  thanks


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Gryff on June 02, 2006, 03:54:10 PM
This documentary has been definatively debunked.

Heres one source that bitch slaps this "documentary".

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: happybhoy on June 02, 2006, 04:53:44 PM
If that kind of thing is up your creek then you'd probably enjoy a documentary that was on the beeb a year or two (or three) ago called The Power of Nightmares, i don't know where you'd get a copy but the transcript is available at www.daanspeak.com/TranscriptPowerOfNightmares1.html (http://www.daanspeak.com/TranscriptPowerOfNightmares1.html) its a bit of a read (in 3 parts) but i would thoroughly recommend it.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Rooky9 on June 02, 2006, 05:15:18 PM
This documentary has been definatively debunked.

Heres one source that bitch slaps this "documentary".

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

I can't get that link to work at the moment, i'll try it again later.

I'm sure there are many arguements and counter arguements over a lot of the facts. But there is no way that the pentagon was hit by a 737 or a 757 (can't remember which it was suppose to be) - so where the hell did that plane go!


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Gryff on June 02, 2006, 05:50:48 PM
This documentary has been definatively debunked.

Heres one source that bitch slaps this "documentary".

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

I can't get that link to work at the moment, i'll try it again later.

I'm sure there are many arguements and counter arguements over a lot of the facts. But there is no way that the pentagon was hit by a 737 or a 757 (can't remember which it was suppose to be) - so where the hell did that plane go!


Copy and paste my link into your browser...

I suggest you avoid watching moon landing/JFK related programs if you think this program has an ounce of truth in it.

First the WTC...how many conspiracy theories do they put forward...?
It wasn't a plane it was a missile...bombs in the basement...etc. why do both?

Secondly the pentagon lack of wreckage...


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1556575484235720126

That video alone silences 99% of their crap about the wreckage of the pentagon crash.

The most salient point against this whole load of tosh though is where are the familys of those who were on the planes if they were not civilian planes?
All in hiding somewhere away from their grieving families?



Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Royal Flush on June 02, 2006, 06:47:15 PM
Classic case of using occam's razor here.

What is the more likely, terrotist's attacked the USA.

Or, there was a global conspiracy that would have been near impossible to pull off, that risked the lifes of all those involved, who have no reason to risk it. It's a bit like the whole online poker is rigged debate.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: TightEnd on June 02, 2006, 07:01:30 PM
debate? Its rigged, you know it I know it.

Bush ordered 9/11, aliens shot JFK, Elvis is alive and living in Glasgow and plays at Cincins.

Its just easier to live your life accepting all this and moving on...


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Rooky9 on June 02, 2006, 07:46:14 PM
I am by no means saying all that is in this documentary is true, but there are several aspects that are highly interesting and questionable about the responses made.

Undoubtably terrorist attacks but not out of the question to save bits of the truth to relieve fear, ie if they had the ability to attck with cruise missiles of had infiltrated the WTC with explosives as well as flying commercial airliners....


oh and lesson of the day - Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as:

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,
which translates to:

entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Rooky9 on June 02, 2006, 07:47:09 PM
I am by no means saying all that is in this documentary is true, but there are several aspects that are highly interesting and questionable about the responses made.

Undoubtably terrorist attacks but not out of the question to save bits of the truth to relieve fear, ie if they had the ability to attck with cruise missiles of had infiltrated the WTC with explosives as well as flying commercial airliners....


Also the Moon pictures - I personally like to think someone forgot to put the film in the camera so they knocked some up when they got back instead!


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Sark79 on June 02, 2006, 07:48:36 PM

 Elvis is alive and living in Glasgow and plays at Cincins.




Is that true?   Does he wear a disguise? 


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: TightEnd on June 02, 2006, 07:51:42 PM
No, he's changed so much since last seen in public in '77. Now he only eats tofu, has a grey beard and has converted to Islam.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Sark79 on June 02, 2006, 07:56:55 PM
I think I may have seen him in Greg's the bakers buying a slice of millionaire shortbread. He was wearing an old Rangers FC baseball cap.  I was going to ask him to sing " Jailhouse Rock" but the queue was huge and I didn't have a chance.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: TightEnd on June 02, 2006, 08:12:26 PM
Impossible. He's a Partick Thistle fan.

Likes cactii though.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Sark79 on June 02, 2006, 08:14:53 PM
 :D :D


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: ifm on June 02, 2006, 08:24:16 PM
There certainly are some odd occurances that aren't really explained (possibly never could be) relating especially to the collapse of the towers.
I believe it is because it was an unique event and as such they cannot be compared to other instances.
The odd things for me are the way the buildings collapsed (straight down, nothing sideways) and the damage in the foyet (particularly the damage in the foyet).
As i say though without emulating the same thing on the same scale again it can never be proven whether the official explanations are possible.
My overwhelmingly thought is that common sense must be used when evaluating the conspiracy theories, is it actually possibly for the US government to do these things without suspicions being aroused by anyone who worked at the twin towers?
Would the ends justify the means?
I say no.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Newmanseye on June 02, 2006, 08:44:14 PM
There was an investigation in to the way the towers collapsed and in short they collapsed the way the did as the central support beams sagged under the tremendous heat of the fire, ( who knows why they were not bolted in place!!) the beams now free of the fixings from the slack, Gave way and down comes the tower.

Thats a very condensed version, there were other structural weaknesses that contributed to the collapse as well.


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: bhoywonder on June 02, 2006, 09:10:33 PM
come to think of it sid from cins is a little elvis like


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Royal Flush on June 02, 2006, 11:17:09 PM
I am by no means saying all that is in this documentary is true, but there are several aspects that are highly interesting and questionable about the responses made.

Undoubtably terrorist attacks but not out of the question to save bits of the truth to relieve fear, ie if they had the ability to attck with cruise missiles of had infiltrated the WTC with explosives as well as flying commercial airliners....


oh and lesson of the day - Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as:

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,
which translates to:

entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.


Lesson of the day, i dont get it.....

The US is not about saving the public from fear, every weak they are led to believe that they are about to be destroyed!


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: thetank on June 02, 2006, 11:59:07 PM
Praeterea censeo, Flushy de te pisces.  ;fish;


Title: Re: Recommended watching...
Post by: Claw75 on June 03, 2006, 01:09:32 AM
Impossible. He's a Partick Thistle fan.


What a clever disguise then!  Must've been him.