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Title: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2005, 11:02:26 AM I am interested in your thoughts on this please
I am sitting in a live 100 PLHE cash game, having sat down with 300. Full table Fifteen minutes in I win a 600 pot by hitting a trip K versus AA all in Five minutes later I call a guy's all in with the nut flush, having hit on the river, for his final 330. As he is pulling up I decide to leave, I have made over 750 in under half an hour which is a big sum in that game and a noticeable amount for me. On the few occasions I have been a big winner previously I have felt embarrassed about getting up and have stayed there, always giving part of the profit back before leaving at a time when my getting up would be less noticeable This time I thought "sod it i'm off" and when I got up the disapproval of a few others was evident. Should I care? Is it customary to stay in a game in which you are the reason others are pulling up? Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: AdamM on August 08, 2005, 11:14:19 AM I'm interested in the responses to this too. I heard Tikay and Julian debate this once and didn't like what I heard with regards etiquette and giving some back.
I sat at my first 'public' cash game at the weekend. it was 1/2 blinds but had gotten short handed. there was one player and two rather lubricated newbies with deep pockets. I sat with the player to my right and had an experimental 30. first hand I had AA. all limped on my BB. I raised pot.8+8. two drinker called. player passed. pot now 32. I moved my remaining 20 in on the flop and both called. AA holds up and I have 72. on my button I get AK and win another decent pot putting me over 100. it would have been good for me to cash in there and walk away but didn't want to get lynched (we're not talking about a casino environment here) so I spent 25 minutes ducking and diving and trying to find the right time to get out. ended up cashing in 70 in the end after inevitably clashing with the more experienced player who I'd observed hold court on this table for 6 hours plus. whats the best way of getting away cleanly? Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: redsimon on August 08, 2005, 11:49:29 AM I am interested in your thoughts on this please I am sitting in a live 100 PLHE cash game, having sat down with 300. Full table Fifteen minutes in I win a 600 pot by hitting a trip K versus AA all in Five minutes later I call a guy's all in with the nut flush, having hit on the river, for his final 330. As he is pulling up I decide to leave, I have made over 750 in under half an hour which is a big sum in that game and a noticeable amount for me. On the few occasions I have been a big winner previously I have felt embarrassed about getting up and have stayed there, always giving part of the profit back before leaving at a time when my getting up would be less noticeable This time I thought "sod it i'm off" and when I got up the disapproval of a few others was evident. Should I care? Is it customary to stay in a game in which you are the reason others are pulling up? There is nothing to stop you leaving at ANY time in a public cardroom or online. I would be more tactful in a home game etc as you might not get invited back. A funny thing I saw at Luton saturday was a guy sit in the 100 Dealers Choice game with 1000, win 300 on his first hand and as he's raking in the pot the floorman says theres a waiting list and theres a guy who was ahead of you so you have to get up. No one on the table protested despite the fact that the "new" guy sat in with 100 :D Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2005, 11:55:37 AM There is nothing to stop you leaving at ANY time in a public cardroom or online. yes, my question was specifically referring to casino play not home games, where I agree a different approach is polite. Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: golferscrote on August 08, 2005, 11:56:48 AM Well simply if you NEED to go because you have other commitments you just announce to the table "Im out at the big blind" If anyone protests (which isn't likely) then just say i have arrangements, or you could say before you sit down that you wont be sat down for long.
If you are scared of losing the rest of your money then maybe you should be sitting at a lower staked table or not playing the game at all! If a load of different players sit down that are are far better than you and the game is no longr "good" then that is a good reason to get up, unfortunatly you could have problems explaining that to the table. Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2005, 12:01:57 PM I was not scared of losing the money, more seeking to protect the return on my investment having had a couple of monsters
I had no pressing need to be elsewhere In my line of work, I look to sell shares when they have gone up. I regard getting up when by good fortune I have a near 300% ROI from a short term run of cards in a cash game as much the same principle However, I don't see anyone else doing it! Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2005, 12:03:42 PM oh and by the way, Golferscrote, welcome to the site. I just noticed it was your first post
Hope you enjoy your time here Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: golferscrote on August 08, 2005, 12:11:21 PM crap i just posted a really long message and an error came up, cant be bothered to type it again :P
Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: ACE2M on August 08, 2005, 01:01:53 PM I intially struggled with what to do in this situation as i'm sure you feel a little agrevied when someone wins your cash with a suck out and immediately leaves the table. I personally do two more rounds maximum and only play monsters. Although usually i am happy for a good start and wanting to play and win more so mostly i'm staying anyway.
Just play another round or two and pass everything. By this time somebody else has probably taken down a big pot and he/she would be the one frowned upon should he/she leave. Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: dik9 on August 08, 2005, 01:55:36 PM In our club etiquette at the cash game requires the player to give at least 3 hands notice of leaving.
The session fees are a good excuse to leave, this is why we announce last 3 hands before sessions. So that people have an opportunity to announce themselves. In theory though this is all codswallop I have seen it done twice, and nobody payed any attention to the guys because they were losing and were only leaving the game because the one guy had already dug up 4 times out of his loft extension money....! Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: Karabiner on August 08, 2005, 04:52:36 PM As a matter of etiquette, Tightend,
I would suggest that the correct way to behave is stay and play a couple of rounds before leaving. Etiquette is after all basically common courtesy and the desire to get along with one's fellows without causing ill-feeling. Obviously you have every right to leave at any time in a casino game, But people may become reluctant to play in your game if you continually "cop and hop". Just my 2c. ;) Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2005, 06:02:20 PM thank you Karabiner, succinct and reliable. Your response, not you. :-*
Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: M POWER on August 08, 2005, 11:30:45 PM I had this at the RIO on the last session before coming home it was only a $2/$5 No-limit Table $200/$500 Sit Down.
I'm in for $330.To play the first hand I put my $5 in, I am 1st position after the blinds next player makes it $30 and then another 2 callers I'm last position First to speak after the flop.The blind pass. I look at my cards and find a monster 25clubs so it was a natrual call AKA Gus Hanson. So here's the flop A34 Rainbow. So $290 left I thought All-in I know i'll get 1 caller holding a strong Ace so 3 callers later and a net win of $960 in the first hand. I scooped my chips and left. Now the only time in Vegas I met a Moody American was a Taxi Driver ( Well every one to be honest) but these three went ape,nuts,barmy,Helmuth,crackers call it what you like. I cannot see anything wrong in this when has anybody offered you cash when you've lost*. If I'd stayed for a couple of rounds and lost the lot, I do not think for 1 second the other players would think, he's nice give him his money back.So Tightend it's your money do as you like. Karabiner Wake up and smell the Coffee! Regards M Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: londonpokergirl on August 09, 2005, 12:03:21 AM Normally I announce to the table when i'm going to leave, or say when it gets to my button i'm leaving so that other players know and also so they can get the next person on the cash game list to get their chips ready to take over my seat.
Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: Karabiner on August 09, 2005, 01:06:46 AM I had this at the RIO on the last session before coming home it was only a $2/$5 No-limit Table $200/$500 Sit Down. I'm in for $330.To play the first hand I put my $5 in, I am 1st position after the blinds next player makes it $30 and then another 2 callers I'm last position First to speak after the flop.The blind pass. I look at my cards and find a monster 25clubs so it was a natrual call AKA Gus Hanson. So here's the flop A34 Rainbow. So $290 left I thought All-in I know i'll get 1 caller holding a strong Ace so 3 callers later and a net win of $960 in the first hand. I scooped my chips and left. Now the only time in Vegas I met a Moody American was a Taxi Driver ( Well every one to be honest) but these three went ape,nuts,barmy,Helmuth,crackers call it what you like. I cannot see anything wrong in this when has anybody offered you cash when you've lost*. If I'd stayed for a couple of rounds and lost the lot, I do not think for 1 second the other players would think, he's nice give him his money back.So Tightend it's your money do as you like. Karabiner Wake up and smell the Coffee! * Apart from "Julian the % Jedi Thew" If I was A Pro I'd always swop a % with YOYO Knowing I'd get a draw. Regards M Not untypically MPower has missed the point. The question was about etiquette. I suggest maybe he looks etiquette up in the dictionary ::) Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: M POWER on August 09, 2005, 06:55:59 AM "Etiquette is after all basically common courtesy and the desire to get along with one's fellows without causing ill-feeling.Karabiner.If you stuck to the above that punch or verbal abuse may never have happened. ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: dan on August 09, 2005, 09:08:11 AM this is why i love the internet so much.
after a poor day yesterday i decided to have a go on the omaha tables 0.50/1$ pot limit tables. now omaha isnt my strongest game by an absolute mile but there is so much bad play and clueless players that play it sometimes it is great to rebuild your bankroll. after 3 or 4 hands of nothing i finally pick up a hand. i had a straight flush and the stone cold nuts 3 other players were raising the pot and eventually went all in of course i called and picked up a $460 pot at which point i left the table and the day wasnt so bad after all, and to make things better nobody can moan at me about etiquette :D Title: Re: Cash Game Etiquette Post by: Karabiner on August 09, 2005, 09:44:18 AM As I was saying MPower, you have completely missed the point.
But you did tell me that you don't do reading........ ??? Tightend asked for people's thoughts on the etiquette of the situation. I explained mine. What is your problem ? |