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It's always nice to flop Quads but how can I extract the most value from this hand? I'm interested in your opinions on the turn and particularly the river here. What line should I normally take with this board?

I'm off to bed now but will post the end of the hand tomorrow and my thoughts...

Thanks.

PS. This is my first Thread on Blonde after being a lurker for some considerable time! I hope to post many more of my cash game hands as I respect a lot of the posters opinions on here.


Holdem No Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/06/25 - 22:49:31 (ET)
Table Prothoon 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: aasezz ($944.30 in chips)
Seat 2: BigBlackJoe ($895.70 in chips)
Seat 3: stoltzy ($104.25 in chips)
Seat 4: CANAM2006 ($114 in chips)
Seat 5: winny ($495.75 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($1333.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Aceball ($292.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Miss Pretty ($1094.55 in chips)
Seat 9: snormore ($1256.85 in chips)
stoltzy: posts small blind $3
CANAM2006: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Qh Qd]
winny: calls $6
HERO: raises $18 to $24
Aceball: folds
Miss Pretty: folds
snormore: calls $24
aasezz: folds
BigBlackJoe: folds
stoltzy: folds
CANAM2006: folds
winny: calls $18
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ks Qs]
winny: checks
HERO: checks
snormore: checks
*** TURN *** [Qc Ks Qs] [7d]
winny: checks
HERO: bets $24
snormore: calls $24
winny: folds
*** RIVER *** [Qc Ks Qs 7d] [3s]

I don't play cash but I'd (for what it's worth) have put in a small bet to look like I'm worried about the flush draw then come right over the top with a nice reraise, then if he's got anything, he'll reraise again or call.

If you check, you run the risk of not getting anything extra and I don't like that.

i flopped quad aces the other night. i showed weakness on flop and turn but no-ne bet even though there were 3 others in the hand. in the end i put in an over bet hoping someone would see it as a bluff but no-one did call. all foldd and i mucked. should i have shown the hand? or let it be known that i had quads?

I flopped quad aces in the Blonde goes Blue thingy.  Sadly Ironside was the only one that was in the pot but I did get a couple of hundred off him :D

Wierdly, I flopped quad queens on Stars a couple of hours later 8)

I'd normally show quads just to show off but I guess you shouldn't if your not being paid to show.  I just like the old "nh mate", same with straight flushes, nice to let people know sometimes but it's just showing off.

I play mainly 6 handed cash games where agression is key. Im raising a lot of pots and betting a lot of flops so id do the same with quads bet out and build the pot. the flop is quite co-ordinated and you have a decent chance to get action, if you dont nevermind and dont worry about it.

If you bet out u probably get calls from KJ KT etc and at 3/6 flush draws still call on paired boards. You want money in the pot so if someone chases a flush or str8 you can get their whole stack on the river. if the pot is still small they wont be as inclined to put the rest of there stack in if they make the draw.

Tournaments are differnt you dont want to see people fold on the flop so a check could be the right approach

agree with pab, keep on betting.

I had this situation in reverse yesterday when someone raised pre flop and 2 kings hit, he checked everytime which just stunk, i made the nut flush on the end and only had to call a small bet to see i was beat.

Another thing to remember is that in this case you have position on him, this naturally will curb his aggession and he will normally let you take the lead in the hand for him to react.
If you don't bet out he will be getting away cheeply unless you get lucky again and the cards fall to give him such a hand that he will bet out.

I flopped quad 8s the other day in a live tournament, but in this case i was out of position and here a check was followed by a nice bet by my opponent. I was able to give it the old squirm before calling and eventually cleaned him out.

In your case you did all you could.

*** RIVER *** [Qc Ks Qs 7d] [3s]
HERO: checks
snormore: (After a dwell) checks

*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [Qh Qd] (four of a kind, Queens)
snormore: mucks hand [Kd Jd]
HERO collected $126 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $129 | Rake $3
Board [Qc Ks Qs 7d 3s]
Seat 1: aasezz folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: BigBlackJoe (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: stoltzy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: CANAM2006 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: winny folded on the Turn
Seat 6: HERO showed [Qh Qd] and won ($126) with four of a kind, Queens
Seat 7: Aceball folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: Miss Pretty folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: snormore mucked [Kd Jd]

Thanks for the comments guys. I agree with badpab2 here, I should have bet out for a number of reasons.

1. To build the pot so it's easier for an oppo to stack off with their flush or straight at the river.
2. Get the extra bets from the AK, KJ, KT hands, and flush and straight draws.
3. Most players are suspicious if the raiser checks the flop on a board like this one.

It's always tempting to check the flop with Quads to let them catch up though. After my small bet on the turn I thought I should check the river to show real weakness and then any flush may think about betting and will then have a decision as to whether to call my raise. Also as I followed a weak line throughout I thought I might induce a river bluff but got nothing.

I thought I'd post this hand as it illustrates how difficult (and frustrating) it is to get value from such a strong hand. Flopping Quads pretty much strangles the board as unless an oppo's hit a full house the paired board really slows things down.

From all the times I've hit Quads I think I've only ever been paid off twice!