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Last monday "Kill Phil" co-author and WPT winner Lee Nelson won the £1,000 NLHE Festival event at the Vic. Elblondie finished third

I am indebted to Andy Ward's blog (www.getitquietly.blogspot.com) for pointing me in the direction of this...his tournament reports...

 Main tournament  (http://24.120.198.6/Killphil/blogs/ln/archive/2006/06/22/107.asp)

 Final table  (http://forums.lasvegasadvisor.com/messageview.cfm?catid=45&threadid=198681)


fascinating views on the UK festival players "old school poker" etc) their style of play and good hand analysis/thought processes

What do you think?

I thought El Blondie didn't do deals  :o

 :D


the final table article just says it was discussed, not that it was agreed

Working link.

 Main tournament  (http://24.120.198.6/Killphil/blogs/ln/archive/2006/06/22/107.aspx)

???

so dave only takes deals when he's having a rough time, i thought he was an advocate of the NO DEAL poker

sigh. again, the article says a deal was discussed not agreed necessarily.

A number of "anti" deal players on here eg JP, have done deals in recent big tournament final tables

I think the diffrence is JP is not anti-deal, he just fancies his SH and HU game against a lot of opponents, JP never said he would never do deals. JP is smart enough to know sometimes he is better off with a deal.

Lee says later in that thread that he took the deal so I guess a deal was done.

The ranking points are frozen at 3 left so i am sure a deal was done.

and I stand corrected....

Did you think that I was making it up then ?

OK.. so lets get this sorted

these people that say vehemently they are anti-deals, what they mean is. I'll take deals

awesome policy

I notice that M3Boy dealt in some micro tourney a while ago, after claiming that the Irish open thing that was live on TV shouldn't have had deals made because "its not life changing money".. yet dealt for a 4 figure sum. huh?

I think people that say they have a no deal policy do it for bravado, yet when they get into position to make deals, they actually do make deals. Personal standards rock

Poker is a game of misinformation isn't it.

Can't blame an anti-dealer for dealing , it's their choice.

What we can do, is rib then incessantly at every available oppurtunity for doing lilly-livered beezness.

Ya big bunch of £1,000 comp winning fish.  :D

I think the line El Blondie takes in his article about this on the main page is that he doesn't see the point in deals done at the local £20 re-buy comp.

If buisness is always done, you might be on yer arse one day when you find yourself playing for big money, having had no experience of playing short handed for the major spoils.

 Interesting reading.....I can't believe that the "top euro player" called him lucky...he flopped a full house and seemed to play it OK.

I seem to recall Dave's stance on deals stems from the time he finished 3rd (i think) in a WSOP event, he felt he robbed himself of the bracelet.

As for the change of heart i won't comment as i got grief for it once before from Carlo Citrone i seem to recall :)

Tighty, what did you start lol

Precisely. If a certain player is well-known for being anti-deals, then if an opponent really does want to cut a deal, they're likely to offer the non-dealer better terms than they would otherwise, in order to win them over.

Bluffing doesn't stop when the cards stop being dealt...

no, not at all...I was corrected because I did not realise that later in the thread it was said a deal was done. 


I was interested in Nelson's views of Brits playing "old school" poker...but I seem to have started a completely different debate inadvertently. Oh well!

Let's try & clear up a few comments in this thread.

Did el blondiie agree to a deal? Yes, he did.

Does he norrmally have a "no deal" policy? Yes, I believe he does.

So I asked him, "why?"

I won't reveal exactly what he said, but think along the lines of "qualty of opposition" (Lee Nelson is truly World-Class), relative chip stacks, & DC maybe running a little thin & wanting to build up a Pre-Vegas Bankroll. In other words, bankroll management combined with the quality of opposition. I'm not defending him, or attacking him, just putting the record straight.

Refrence is also made in the thread to Paul Garnham - M3Boy - doing a deal at Luton, when he's often voiced his opposition to "forced" deals.

I was on the table with Paul at Luton when this happened, indeed I was part of the deal.

We had all enjoyed a glorious tourney played in great spirit, & the Chip Leader was simply running away with the comp. Chip Leader then says "look guys, wanna chop it up?" & he offered a remarkably good deal.

Paul initially refused. But Paul has been running very bad lately, & I could see he was agonising over his decision. I said "look Paul, you are running bad, you are not forced to get much at all, here's a chance to pick up a few grand". (Or whatever the numbers were, I forget now). I also said - as is ALWAYS my Policy - (and this NEVER changes) "I will go with the flow - whatever you boys wanna do, I'll go with the flow". Eventually, & almost grudgingly, Paul accepted, but I know it "hurt" him. It's common sense to my mind - sometimes you have to do what you have to do, & if it keeps the wolf from the door, so be it.

I am not taking sides in either Dave or Paul's case, just stating the facts as I know them.

Never say never is my advice!

I agree with that, I am dead set against deals but I would never ever rule them out.  It really depends on the timing.

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