Title: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: BigTomatoes on July 01, 2006, 07:13:10 PM Sven Goran Eriksson The guy is a disgrace to football. 1. His World Cup squad selection was shambolic. Selecting 4 strikers when he knew Rooney and Owen werent fit enough. Selecting Theo Walcott and Peter Crouch then showing no faith in either of them when needed. Leaving proven quality English strikers behind. ie Defoe, Beattie, Bent even Johnson 2. He has no clue tactically. Reverting to long balls, and eventually a 4 - 5 - 1 formation which is neither a familiar formation with the national side or any National club team. On paper England are a world class side who should be able to match any side in the world, including Brazil, Argentina etc. However with Eriksson in charge the team were never going anywhere, and the blame should not only be pointed towards Eriksson but to the English F.A who made a bad appointment, made the situation worse by giving him a contract which they couldnt really afford and have had to stick with a guy who has taken the team nowhere in 6 years. I am Scottish, Im a Celtic fan but I love watching England. Any REAL football supporter cannot watch the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and others without admiring their skill and ability, so this display in the world cup has really angered me to see such a huge display of talent mismanaged to such a degree that their campaign ended as a shambles. any opinions on this subject? Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: lvlarc_uk on July 01, 2006, 07:20:29 PM How about team is simply not good enough to mix with world class teams. QF is a good achievement though, no need to make excuses.
Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: The Baron on July 01, 2006, 07:25:08 PM Sven Goran Eriksson The guy is a disgrace to football. 1. His World Cup squad selection was shambolic. Selecting 4 strikers when he knew Rooney and Owen werent fit enough. Selecting Theo Walcott and Peter Crouch then showing no faith in either of them when needed. Leaving proven quality English strikers behind. ie Defoe, Beattie, Bent even Johnson 2. He has no clue tactically. Reverting to long balls, and eventually a 4 - 5 - 1 formation which is neither a familiar formation with the national side or any National club team. On paper England are a world class side who should be able to match any side in the world, including Brazil, Argentina etc. However with Eriksson in charge the team were never going anywhere, and the blame should not only be pointed towards Eriksson but to the English F.A who made a bad appointment, made the situation worse by giving him a contract which they couldnt really afford and have had to stick with a guy who has taken the team nowhere in 6 years. I am Scottish, Im a Celtic fan but I love watching England. Any REAL football supporter cannot watch the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and others without admiring their skill and ability, so this display in the world cup has really angered me to see such a huge display of talent mismanaged to such a degree that their campaign ended as a shambles. any opinions on this subject? Spot on. Tactically especially. How a midfield of Cole Lampard Gerrard and Beckham(?) cannot operate together is beyond me. Everything is beyond Sven. Good riddance. The only downside is we have MacLaren instead now. It doesn't get better. Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: BigTomatoes on July 01, 2006, 07:27:17 PM the team on paper is good enough to beat any team.
Cole, Terry, Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Rooney all world class players . my point is the team has been terribly mismanaged, and the blame for that lies with S V G and the FA. Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: TightEnd on July 01, 2006, 07:29:41 PM well the suits have picked McClaren so I don't see it getting any better
Unbalanced squad selection, poor tactics, and unwillingness to drop sacred cows like Beckham Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: The_Patriot on July 01, 2006, 07:32:36 PM lennon should start, captain dropped to the bench, he's not a leader. John Terry should be captain, shows passion and heart in every game he plays ( i dont support chelsea)
Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: Jim-D on July 01, 2006, 07:38:40 PM I really think that McClaren WILL make the right decisions regarding Beckham/formation/captaincy.
Because he HAS TO.... Sven has taken so much stick (rightfully so IMO) and Steve will not want that pressure from the fans, And i believe he will make these decisions right from the word GO Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: BigTomatoes on July 01, 2006, 07:40:49 PM i agree tighty, i dont see any way England will improve with McLaren its pretty much ' a job for the boys '.
they are pretty similar tactically etc ( boring football ) i want to see England playing exciting stuff. however, can you imagine England with Mr Mourinho or Mr Scolari in charge ? they would win everything in site. Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: sharpy on July 01, 2006, 07:42:16 PM Quote Everything is beyond Sven. Good riddance. The only downside is we have MacLaren instead now. It doesn't get better. That will depend if McLaren has the balls to drop either Gerrard or Lampard. They are both world class players who both play the same way. Unfortunatly they both expected the other to take the initiative in this world cup,hence neither performed to their best ability. Say for example, Gerrard was picked ahead of Lampard and was told that if he didn't produce he would be replaced, then I would have expected world class performances from him,same can be applied to Lampard. We see these type of performances week in week out from these 2 players in the premiership,why do we not see it in international games?, because they are both picked to do a job that isn't totaily naturale to them. Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: The_Patriot on July 01, 2006, 07:46:11 PM Im not really interested in the English National side, I am a huge fan of an English Premiership club and it disgusts me to see players with immense ability fail to perform at the highest of levels. England, on paper, are World Cup Finalists if not winners. beckham should not start for england, if he does it shouldnt be in the role he is assigned to. Its been well advertised that the English football have no passion or togetherness, individuals have but not as a team. Look at the successful teams still involved, the bench goes fucking mental, when someone scores they run straight to the bench and even the water boy goes fucking mental. England need chit like that in their squad, its there but they dont have a true leader or a true manager. Hope we meet you's in the Euro Champs ;-)
Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: Nem on July 01, 2006, 07:46:33 PM i agree tighty, i dont see any way England will improve with McLaren its pretty much ' a job for the boys '. they are pretty similar tactically etc ( boring football ) i want to see England playing exciting stuff. however, can you imagine England with Mr Mourinho or Mr Scolari in charge ? they would win everything in site. McClaren is a good manager, better than a lot of people give him credit for. He has done a very good job at Middlesboro and he will do a good job for England. All this bollocks with Scolari is starting to get to me. He won the World Cup with Brazil (oh what a hard job that must be) got to the final of Euro 2004 with the host nation and lost to Greece. He isn't the great manager everyone makes him out to be. Good yes; great no! Good initial post BTW B/T Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: BigTomatoes on July 01, 2006, 07:55:44 PM cheers nem, would you not rather see an exciting name such as Mourinho, Scolari even someone like Stuart Pearce with a true passion for the game and enthusiasm rather than ' old ' McLaren ? Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: sharpy on July 01, 2006, 08:09:24 PM Posted on: Today at 07:55:44 pmPosted by: BigTomatoes
Insert Quote cheers nem, would you not rather see an exciting name such as Mourinho, Scolari even someone like Stuart Pearce with a true passion for the game and enthusiasm rather than ' old ' McLaren ? We tried that with Keegan and look where that got us Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: BigTomatoes on July 01, 2006, 08:11:39 PM with respect to keegan, managerially hes not in the same league as mourinho and scolari.
Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: sharpy on July 01, 2006, 08:22:37 PM To be honest,Scolari has not proved too much. Against England he beat us with Brazil.........not really a great feat,(OK they were down to 10 men after going 2-1 up). With Portugal he has proved what exactly.(He can win a penalty shootout,the second time playing against a team of 10 men for 50mins). Sorry I don't think missing out on Scolari is a big deal to be honest. Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: Nem on July 01, 2006, 08:23:48 PM like Stuart Pearce with a true passion for the game and enthusiasm rather than ' old ' McLaren ? No. McClaren is the best English coach around. Pearce is still inexperienced and IMO is not good enough, he is passionate, but that doesn't mean he is the right man for the job. He has done nothing yet in management, and he had a poor last season with Man City (relegation form in the 2nd half of the season.) Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: BigTomatoes on July 01, 2006, 08:26:33 PM ah well i know who id prefer if i was an england fan
Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: Div on July 01, 2006, 08:31:34 PM A quote from this article:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1805441,00.html "O'Neill's credentials were underlined in the build-up to TOG v FRA after a disbelieving Gary Lineker asked Alan Shearer if there was any truth in the rumours that he would be the next England coach. After Shearer had filibustered - 'I've had a phone call off Steve McClaren two or three weeks ago asking if I'd have a conversation after the World Cup' - it was left to O'Neill to provide the punchline: 'Your name cropped up at the interview I did for England. I said no.' The others in the studio laughed, but rather uncomfortably as it dawned on them that O'Neill wasn't joking. The reason McClaren - the brave son of York sitting at the right hand of the Swede - was given the job was because he said 'yes' to the Shearer question while Big Phil Scolari said 'who?'" Looks to me like more trouble ahead for England. Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: BigTomatoes on July 01, 2006, 08:43:18 PM i can believe that. theres another name who would do a good job for England - O'Neill but I would bet my Mortgage ( figuratively speaking ) if I had one on Martin O'Neill being the next manager of Manchester United Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: Nem on July 01, 2006, 09:02:11 PM i can believe that. theres another name who would do a good job for England - O'Neill but I would bet my Mortgage ( figuratively speaking ) if I had one on Martin O'Neill being the next manager of Manchester United The only job he will take. Title: Re: 1 Reason for Englands disastrous World Cup Post by: TightEnd on July 01, 2006, 09:06:39 PM Apparently the suits from the Dorset and Glucestershire FAs who choose England manager's hated O'Neill at the interviews
He insisted on Robertson and Walford being his coaches, no one else He was asked "how would you deal with celebrity players?" His reply "I don't believe in celebrity players, no special treatment" All this from a friend of a friend who is still in touch with him from his days at my club Such a shame. He would have been brilliant |