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Why do we have such an overpowering need to share our bad beat stories?

We know no one wants to hear them, we know it happens to everyone on a regular basis, and we know, that in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to some of the horrors that people have to face in the real world, they are insignificant

Still, have to admit I have been dying to put a post on here cataloguing the unbelievable run of outdraws Ive suffered this week, but why?

My theory is, we all want someone to reassure us that we did the right thing, we need to know they understand how we feel, and that they have sympathy for us and will support us when things are going wrong

When I first started playing someone told me that poker reflects life, the more I play, the more I understand what he means

Everbody likes a whinge now and again. 

Posting/talking to other players is probably due to the desire to tell someone who might understand.  After a series of body blows last night I received little sympathy from the missus who merely accused me of 'wasting our money'.

I'm thinking of starting an 'Ironside Inflicted Bad Beats' thread after a particularly painful one by the big man last night.   ;)

Hi Red,

The bit i don't understand ?

If you have a BB.
That means you put your money in with the best hand.

You have a series of BBs.
You are now consistantley reading the situation correctly and getting other players to commit there chips when behind.

The only way you lose in 90% of tournies is to BBs.
Praise the lord you will be rolling in it SOON :D.

My personnel aim is to reach level 3 as quickly as possible.
Lets face it these things do even out and u can't mess with the odds/chance.

Bring on the BBs PLEASE !!!!

Regards
BA

 

red-dog,

must be something in the air at the minute mate......im running so bad i cant remember the last reasonable pot i won must have been back a month or so ago....lost some really bad biggies recently and to be honest i cant be bothered anymore.

3 years of online poker, 1 year of winning nice money through good play (i think).....to be ruined by 2 months of sick cards.

The standard of play online now makes it almost impossible to determine what cards the other playr has got.

BLONDE you heard it first I QUIT!

I agree must be something in the air.  I have not hit the money in the last 11 STT's.



Don't quit, mate.  Take some time off instead.  Come back refreshed.   ;)

im just sick of it maroon, and by the sounds of some other players im not the only one......

1, i no longer enjoy playing poker on the internet because in my view it really is a lottery

2, i no longer have any consistency

3, ive recorded a bigger loss than i could afford the past 3 months in total

4, i no longer have any confidence in my ability to play

5, i think the online players are unbeatable

im jacking it in before it gets me into trouble! mentally and financially

ill still play live though

I quit online poker 8 months. When you start to question putting your cash into a pot when you know you are in front and against drawing hands its time to quit. In a live game you cant get the money in quick enough.

Couldn't agree more Red Dog - after a rollercoaster 4 months, I just can't seem to draw, and I want to share it to stave of depression ;D

Imagine a tournement P&L that readsMay +10,000, June +25,000, July - -25,000 (inc Vegas exes) and Aug to date -12,000....

...my comparison to life is going on a roll,, having 3 decent looking , well natured girls after you at once - only to shag it up by being unable to make a decision and being lonely 2 months later and only interesting the overweight, spotty girl who's 4o plus in crap club

And that from a non pro, day to day player

I'm sick too and wnat to talk  ;D

Why did you have to choose? Didn't realise you'd changed so much since school!  ;D

i totally agree with this point.before i go on i dont want you all to think i am ranting on about bad beats but this just sums up what a lottery it is

tonight i enter the 10k gtd on crypto, i know it is only a 20 buy in but there is 2.5k 1st prize up for grabs so you would think that people would be trying their best.

im on the cutoff and the blinds are 50/100. there is one caller to my right so i raise 300 with AQ suited(clubs) button and blinds pass. the 1 caller moves all in i think for a bit and call. (i have played against this player before and dont have him down for slow playing premium pairs)
so i think im in front, i just about had him covered.
 i cant believe my luck when he shows J2 yes J2suited (clubs) my delight turns to anger and rage when a J hits the flop and i dont improve.
how can you play against that. it is a lottery and im not sure i want to keep staking my money on a lotery.

yep, i think its because they see players like hellmuth and negraneu re raising that trash on the telly...

some people any draw any top pair they INSTA-PRESS the all in button and hope. they do this because they think they are being 'agressive' fact of the matter is good agressive players find out where they stand before COMMITTING their chips bad players call, call, call, call and go all in thats their library of moves.

and with 5 or even 2 cards yet to be seen this can be dangerous for they guy whos winning at that point.

just a thought ???

keep soldiering on Dan your off the the West Indies in november remember:)

sunday

dan atleast i was playing poker when i took you out with my jacks v your AQ so the flop was queen high and you trapped checked me only to get rivered by a straight thats poker

when i went out with a health stack holding AA to the winner with his 83s (no i didnt slow play) now that hurt

Bad beats all night long. 4 4ths on stt's 3 of them horrific beats on the river.

And i'm playing crap too, which certainly doesn't help.

The deck is cold as ice and i couldn't steal candy from a baby.

if it wasn't for a flopped j to make my set against AA and getting fully paid off on the cash tables i'd be suicidal.

Thank you Armo, this is the kind of response I was trying to encourage

What I wes trying to say was, we all feel like sharing our bad beats, thats only human nature, but in the grand scheme of things they are not bad beats at all

I would wish you luck, but if the people that matter to you in your life are ok then your lucky already, and if you keep getting your money in with the best hand, you wont need it

It's not the beats you take, it's how you take the beats. In life, as in poker.

Get your money in with the best hand, and over time, you will win. It's that simple. The "beats" bit is called variance, & you just have to learn to live with it, or you may as well quit poker. But you would not quit life if your luck was out, you'd understsand that in the fullness of time, luck will even out. It just WILL.

Some of us see the glass as half full, others see it half empty. When peeps make bad calls, that's a GOOD thing, x times out of ten. And x is more than 5, by a considerable margin.

Come on guys, enjoy!

i totally agree good point

Does sound painful ironside, I was just hoping we might get Mel to tell the tale of you cracking her AA after she 'slowplayed' it!  ;)

Whilst i wholeheartedly agree with you BA i'd just like to make the following point.......

I hear a lot of people complain about bad beats as i play a lot of online poker but a lot of the time people just dont understand the law of averages and mathematics of what they are saying. Lets say you are cruisin along in a tourney, and you are about 30th out of 40 left in a tourney, and you are seriously looking to double up.

You get AK in first position, go all in, and are called by AQ. Hey Presto! You win. You now have 40k chips and are sitting on an average stack.

Next hand, AK again in the big blind. Sweet!!! There is a raise up front, and you decide to take it down with an all in bet. But wait, your opponent, who has you covered, calls you with... AJ? What a horrible call, right? Yes, it is, and he pays for it when a K flops and you take down the pot. Unbelievable!!! from 20k to 80k in 2 hands. Sweet!

Next hand, youre in the SB, and you get, what are the odds??, AK, again... it folds around to you, and you face the BB, who happens to be the chipleader of the tourney at a whopping 175k chips. He has been steamrolling everyone and has a huge lead over the field. What do you do? You know he could bust you if you let him catch anything on the flop, so you dont really want to mess with him... you cant fold AK though, so you push it all in hoping he folds...he thinks, thinks, thinks, and calls...with AQ!!!! He (or course!!!) spikes a Q and you are taking a walk thinking about what a horrible beat you took and how this always happens to you.... i mean, THIS IS TOTAL RUBBISH RIGHT? I ALWAYS GET SCREWED.....

WRONG. you are thinking about it in the wrong way.... You were all in 3 times with a 70% chance to win everytime. All you have to do is lose 1 out of 3 to be out of the tournament. Lets let the god of statistics speak to us now:

Winning 3 of 3 ---> .7x.7x.7 = .343

Thats right, only 34% of the time you are still in this tourney after that string of hands, and yet somehow people still think that they have been "screwed by an online poker site"... How reasonable is it to think that? Answer: Not Very.

The simple fact of the matter is that being all in is a risky proposition, and risk is what you want to avoid in tournaments until you absolutely have to face it. This is why racing early in a tournament is just plain foolish, and yet bad players do it constantly.

Whenever you are all in and not holding the absolute nuts with no cards to come, there is a chance you can get eliminated. Add up those small chances to get eliminated over the course of the tourney and it proves that it is very likely you will be eliminated somwhere.

"monkey boy"

p.s. BA, will you still be playing poker when you reach level 3 / 75 years of age????  :D

I very rarely whinge about about a bad beat. Notice when you explain your beat to somone in great detail and afterwards they explain their's, notice how bored you are when hearing their story... He was as bored as you are now.

Life is full of knocks it's just a knock in poker costs you a few quid but as they all say if you consistently get your money in with the best hand you will win over all.

This is why you should never have too much hinging on one session of poker, the luck may be with you or against you over this session but overall your good play will triumph.

 

My thoughts exactly. I take more confidence from a run of Bad beats although it can get frustrating  :-\

let see she had AA i had KJs and i made 2 pair and she went on to get thrashed at chess by me

This is good advice, we did have a mini debate about "sliders" some time ago...........
I have always judged my overall performance in tournys (live or online) by the amount of times i'm allin (buyin period aside), and my proudest achievement was winning a 5 rebuy without being allin once!!

I once saw an interview with Phil Helmuth and he was asked how he was playing and he replied "very, very well, i've only been allin once and that was with the nuts"
Made me think about my style of play.
The truth of course (more and more often) is that players go allin against you and you are forced to make that crucial decision.
I have always believed that the VERY best players are the ones who are capable of laying down good draws, top pair etc. to raises/reraises, some folks call it being outplayed i disagree, it's playing the odds.
Ian

Damn my fingers hurt.

500 p/l at luton.... i'm on 8000 points (average 12000) 2 seats off the button i pick up AK- 4 players limp in with the 400 bb i raise the pot 2000 points get 2 calls.... flop comes and 9d 3c kd checks round to me i go all-in 2 players call turn 7h no bets..... river 6d player 1 goes all- in he's called, he turns over 8d 4d he started the hand with 2000points more than me yet felt 8d 4d was good enough to call a maximum raise pre-flop, he then felt it was good enough to call another 4000 points raise on the flop with the only probable way of winning hitting his flush, prior to this i had been playing v tight and table image was good, i haven't played a massive amount live- probably 20 games. but in a 500 entry i just couldn't belive this..... AHHHHH THATS BETTER thanks for listening!!