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IMO it has to be a player who will always start if they're fit - hence my choices above.

It has to be someone at the top of their game who inspires others.

For me, it has to be Gerrard. In a poor world cup by his standards he still scored twice. He turns up in major games. He single handedly wins important fixtures such as the Champions League final and the FA Cup final.

Knowing what he does for Liverpool I know no-one better, he is a talisman.

Who did you vote for any why?

Gerrard massively disappointed in this world cup, i am interested in a captain who will always perform and who will instill fear and respect into his team mates and lead by example. Someone who can lift a team when you are 2-0 down at halftime.

Only Terry fits this bill, no-one is even challenging him.

I don't think Terry had a great world cup either to be honest.

There was only Rio, Cole and Hargreaves who did perform, so your choices are thin.

Rio - too chilled out
Hargreaves - too unpopular, often booed and ridiculed by the fans - obviously to get this reaction, he must have been our best player by a country mile.
Cole - seems a bit quiet

I personally would like Gerrard to become captain but the problem is that he does have a habit of missing to many games due to injury. As a result Terry will get the armband.

I've gone for Terry.

I don't think making either of them captain will affect their performance (and so Gerrard is still free to single handedly win games, should he so wish) But Terry has more of a presence and, the all saying that the whole game is played in front of him, allows him to command more.

Terry for me, without a doubt.  He is generally a consistent player, he had a bad world cup but only 3 or 4 didn't, and is a great presence at the back. 

He's also one of the first names on the team sheet IMO and this is important for a captain, this was my arguement all the way through the world cup for keeping Beckham in when Lennon was on better from, it effects the morale of the team if the captain is being dropped and the captaincy is changing backwards and forwards.

Ive gone for Terry also. For me, Terry is a born leader. He has pressence, passion and true leadership. He's the rock at the heart of our defence and I think the rest of the team see him as a talisman. Gerrard however would also make a good captain but if I had to choose, it'd be Terry for me.

Gerrard for me, partly because I think being captain will raise his England performance level.

Terry looked vulnerable to me during the World Cup, although he's the only other player worthy of consideration for the captain's armband.

If Gary Neville gets it then I despair for our future.

Sheriff

Rooney?!?!?!?! Captain?!?!?!?

Do me a favour!!

Personally i think Terry will get it, Gerrard a possibility but isnt always guaranteed to be fit......

I think he put his name on the list on the basis is a a guarenteed to play...

edit : when not suspended!

Or injured - as in game vs Portugal Euro 2004 and beginning of World Cup,

It was the "slight" temperament problem he appears to have - hardly captain material!

Yep, agreed... which is why he has no votes (well looks like maybe 1 now!)

I believe Wayne's mum is an avid reader of the Blonde Poker forum........

Or there might be a Scotsman about.... ;)

Although reading the papers no-one who has ever dived, complained to a ref, or slagged an opponent should be even in the squad. At least Ronney's just violent  ;goodvevil;

In a few years I think he'll be an amazing captain.

Beckham didn't exactly have tempremant 8 years ago. Gerrard didn't but 4 years ago. Rooney just needs to grow up a little.

And look how far the England team has progressed since Beckham took over...........

When has Beckham ever been a captain? A captain has to lead.

and THE most important think about leading is having respect, which he had/has..... I honestly don't think a different captain would have had any better fortunes, the only issue being that it kept him in the side when maybe he shouldnt have been - but his name alone may have done that anyway.

Fair comment but how influential is Rooney compared to Beckham in footballing terms?

Steven Gerrard should be the England captain.

john terry without a doubt.

i have watched him since he was 17yo and even at an early stage he had leadership qualities.
he is very much like tony adams, a leader of men in the frontline of action not asking anyone to do anything he wouldnt do himself.

steven gerrard is a world class player and our best midfielder and when the chips are down pulls up his sleeves and gets himself going but im not sure if he can get others going around him like JT can.

2010 john terry lifts the world cup for england!

At the moment way below, at least Beckham has world cup goals to his name - how many has Rooney scored in both qualifying and finals games?

Answer: 0

Since Houllier made Gerrard Liverpool's captain he has improved as a player ten-fold. Also, Gerrard is Englands best midfielder and the 2nd person on the team sheet after Rooney. Where as Terry hasnt put in any great performences for England and isnt even guaranteed his startin place as much as Gerrard.

john terry is the first defender on the team sheet.
maybe he hasnt put any "great" performances for england but he has been very consistent in an england shirt.
neither had a great world cup and terry made a couple of uncharecteristic mistakes. but you have to look at the wider picture. he consistently performs for chelsea and england and if he hadnt performed in the first game against paraguay we wouldnt have proggressed through the group stages in this world cup.

gerrard has hardly set the world alight in an england shirt and if he needs the honour of being captain to improve this like you say he has at liverpool then imo he is the wrong player for the role.

terry is a leader with or without the armband.

Do you know why there is so much debate on this?

Because there is absolutelty nothing between them in their CV's for the job. I initally voted Terry but I'm now turning towards Gerrard, on the basis I think he deserves it more.

Gerrard for captain!!!

I want what you've been smoking! Beckham more influential than Rooney? Are you winding me up?  :D

When was the last time Rooney did anything influential (FOR GOOD REASONS) for the English football team?

He is a striker and yet his goal tally is zero for the last 2 and a bit years apart from meaningless friendlies.

Beckhams goals (ok, one a slight deflection vs Paraguay) meant that England progessed as far as they did.

However Rooney made sure thats as far as they would go.........

Yes he has talent and in years to come maybe Englands "talisman" but at the moment he is nowhere near!!

Beckham had a shocking world cup and I thought we looked infinately beter when Lennon was on the pitch.

Rooney is our most influential player by far. He caused all of the problems vs Ecuador but as usual Beckham scores a free kick and takes all the headlines after doing nothing all game. Same old story really. His PR team do their jobs well.

Looks like i'm not the only one smoking something :)

Rooney caused all the problems against Ecuador?? England managed only 8 shots in the entire game of which only 4 shots were on target. The Ecuadorians had more of the possession than England. Rooney had only 2 of the 8 shots and he was supposed to be the lone striker and yet he has just two attempts the entire game?

The majority of the time he looked lost playing up front on his own and only seemed more comfortable when he dropped deep to pick up the ball - which then left no-one up front.

(granted this was hardly Rooney's fault but more the managers inept tactics)

Is Terry captain 4 his club? IMO u have 2 b that bfore u captain ur country

Podolski has scored 2 goals all world cup but has caused problems for every team he has played against. Do his stats make him useless?

Ronaldinho didn't score for a year for Brazil right up to and including this world cup. I guess he's not influential either?

Terry, Gerrard and Neville are all captains of their clubs.

I believe he is yes.

Terry is a southern ponce, an weve had one of them 4 8 yrs. Neville is a spanner, so that leaves Stevie G who just happens to be scouse. Made 4 the role

Any player who will happily take a football boot in the face in order to save a goal, must be a ponce. Maybe we should get Julian Clarey some football boots and appoint him as centre half and Terrys partner. Rio can get rid of his platts then as they are obviously for Terrys benefit.

terry has been captain of chelsea for 5 years!

what an idiot!

how does what part of the country u come from matter lmao

LOL exactly, unfortunately IQ's are not vetted when joining forums.

Guys we do not accept flaming on here.

Calling people idiots and questioning their IQs is not acceptable.

so insulting someones area of birth is by calling them a ponce?

his post was completly unneccassary to what was until then a good sensible debate about the merits of players to become england captainr.

as long as they are english i dont feel it matters where in the country they are born.

i feel his comment were an incitement to flaming but you chose to ignore that baron.was it because you may not be a southern ponce?

I am from the same city as you ITB - Milton Keynes. I took Mikky's comment as a north south bit of banter as I'm sure he meant it. Just the same as the Scottish lads have banter with us. "Southern Fairies" and "Northern Monkeys" have been banter terms for years.

"Idiot" is not banter. Nor is questioning someone's IQ.

normally when people are having banter or saying things tongue in cheek they add a smiley or lol or in my post above lmao but cant see any on mickeys post!

and for the record i was born in london not milton keynes thank god! :D

Maybe it is becuase I am use to the way Mikky posts but trust me it was not meant as a personal insult.

im sure his comment wasnt meant as a personal insult but was still a rather dumb thing to say imo

hehe, come on mikky was only taking the p***!

I'm from london but when i go up to visit my mates in yorkshire and we have a drink in the local pubs, i am constantly referred to as a "cockney, barrow-boy, fruit and veg selling southern lager drinking poof."  And this isn't even my mates, this is the barstaff!

Vive la difference.....

Michael Owen should be an option, considering he is the vice captain.

Come on Baron get with the program. I can handle your biased views on anything Liverpool related, it's nice to see someone with some passion for something. But this biased view that idiot and IQ questioning is far worse than calling someone a "ponce" is plain ridiculous.

I directed my comment at a guy who wrote a dumb comment IMO, which broke up a decent debate. He is commenting about someone who will not come on here and defend himself, whereas he is more than welcome to defend himself to my comment. If i tell you i like a laff and say some things tongue in cheek with no harm meant, will you be so understanding for me also?

And if all else fails, his IQ is far more likely to be in question than whether John Terry is a ponce, so i can take heart in having made a comment which is far more likely to be true than his was.

Is this an example of the "over moderated" and must be in "the click" i have been advised about?

Saying how you feel about John Terry is one thing (or Stevie G for that matter ;)) as that is football banter, but saying it about a poster on here is something else. Comments like that discourage people from voicing their opinions on here and that is not acceptable.

It may be over moderation to some people, blonde may even be a "clique" to some people but that's the way it is.

Anyway back to football...

Who do you support Lee?

If i told you, i guarantee you would say "i knew it". It isn't Chelsea btw.

I'm not really an ardent supporter of any team to be honest, i just love watching quality football. It's been at least 10 years since i saw a match live, so i am the typical "armchair supporter". When choosing a team who i say i support, i am more drawn to a team that entertains me and have done for sometime, i guess i'm more of a follower than supporter.

I agree entirely with your post here lee, well said!..  ;applause; :respect:

Shall I guess? :)

I have a feeling your Gerrard posts are as influenced as my supportive ones for him...

Anyway - good debate.

Oh throw another stake on the bbq. I could do with another BITE to eat.

with regard 2 my iq, it was 162 the last test I took. Mind u, that was bfore I moved to jockland an started eatin deep fried believe bars.. ITB its hard 2 do smileys on a WAP browser but point taken.

You have no need to guess, trust me you are right in what you are thinking. :D

Maybe i have been a bit harsh on SG, i don't feel that i have, but i'm prepared to accept the possibility. I really expected him to play at huge part in this world cup and lead us onto something special, on this point he has bitterly disappointed me. However, i still feel he is a very good player who most teams would like to have. :D

Julian Clarey? we had david beckham!

I think the lack of performance u saw from SG was as much to do with the squad selection as anything else. You want players who work 2gether over big names - unless u can get both. The Coles for example.

IMO Englands midfield just didnt work.

I know what you mean! I went around telling all and sundry he would win it for England. Ooops.

I always remember Julian Clarey saying he could never have been a boxer as he liked getting licked in the ring. One of his funniest off the cuff comments.

As for Becks, im not really sure what i think tbh. Its been great at times and real sour on others, i guess his school report would read as OK, nothing more.

Maybe this concentrating on SG has been a little unfair and has detracted from the biggest flop by a country mile - Lampard.

2nd best player in the world (apparently) should have far more to offer than he did. SG was disappointing for sure, but Lampard was absolutely shocking to say the least.

Anyone wonder how Scholes and Gerrard worked fine but there is a problem with Lamps and Gerrard?

Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't understand either. There are enough (inter-team) combinations in our team to be able to congeal a team and more importantly perform. One of those unanswerable questions i guess. He and Lampard will be vying for one position in my mind in the future and of the 2, Lampard will be the one getting a numb arse on the bench. Hargreaves is a must for the foreseeable future, he was very impressive. His stamina was truly inspiring.

In his day Scholes was a better player than Lampard is now IMO

Hmmm...

I agree Jim, Scholes was England's best goal scoring midfielder ever. Scored more than Robson I think.

How about a midfield of:

Gerrard Lampard Hargreaves Cole

With Stevie G playing right like he does for Liverpool? He can cross like Beckham but also beat a man on the run.

I'd put them on par personally. I think they are both players who will never perform to the level for England than they do for their clubs wekk in and week out

Joe Cole won't be playing on the left once McClaren gets in.

I like old fashion wingers (with chalk on their boots) who get to the bye line regularly and have pace and can take people and deliver quality balls. Sadly Giggs chose the wrong team, i firmly believe that with Giggs the past 10 years could have been different.

Just an idea, however this left side of midfield issue has never been solved to everyones happiness. Maybe a 4-3-3 is the way forward, not because i like the system, but maybe its the best with what we have available. Hows about:


Bench: Carragher, Campbell, Lampard, Cole, Lennon, Bent, Defoe

Just an idea, however this left side of midfield issue has never been solved to everyones happiness. Maybe a 4-3-3 is the way forward, not because i like the system, but maybe its the best with what we have available. Hows about:


Bench: Carragher, Campbell, King, Lampard, Lennon, Bent, Defoe

lol

Robinson is not Englands best keeper he just happened to be fit. Kirkland is miles better but is all 2 often injured.

He may have been 5-8 years ago, not now he isn't.

(http://www.acidmouse.com/Gall/albums/userpics/10002/lampardandrewsilcox.jpg)

Fat Frank

Giggs is welsh, his parents are welsh and all four grandparents were welsh. he was never eligible to play for England. no choice. he was an England school boy but that's not very strict.

I agree about Scholes. better player than Lampard, though I think people are blowing it out of proportion. He's not been on top form this world cup but he's definitely world class.

Beckham, without an automatic place will play his arse off in the next couple of games and make himself impossible to drop.

You'll see pigs fly before that team is seen on a pitch!

Cole has been good enough on the left if a 4 across the middle is chosen. (Nem, yes i think he would love to ease Downing in but until cole flops he can't/wont)

I love the way how hargreaves last game has already got him in the two teams on here!

My team, for what is worth would be: and this is against all teams with no tricky wingers/lower than 20 in the world teams...

Robinson

A. Cole
R Ferdinand
J Terry
D Beckham

J Cole
S Gerrard
S Parker (okay okay we can persit with Lampard if you wish!)
Lennon

Rooney
Owen


Bench: Carragher, Campbell, Lampard, Cole, Lennon, Bent, Defoe

Always thought Giggs was born in England, and his Dad was english. His mum was Welsh and when his parents split up he moved across to play for Wales...

How can you say Campbell ahead of King, Woodgate and even Dawson!

But you are right... he was born in Cardiff.... If you play for England school boys you only have to go to an english school! great way of developing our youth that!

Giggs was born in Wales, his father is Welsh and his Mother is English and he moved to Manchester when his parents seperated.

all four of Giggs' grandparents and both parents are Welsh. He moved to England aged 7 and later captained Enland schoolboys as he went to school in England.

infact, from the horses mouth
"People saying I should have played for England makes me furious, I am 100% Welsh and did not chose Wales - I had no choice"

ofcourse we'd love him to be English but there's plenty of players thats true of. Peter Schmiechel in his prime for example

The sub bench was left in from the orginal quote. In term of ability alone i rate woodgate as the highest of all our centre backs... at least he was and could of been...

No Gary Neville Rooky?

I think Colchester Kev should be in the poll, I realise this would be a step down for him from GB mnager to England Manager, but he is man enough to do it !!

Not against a team with no attacking and tricky wingers, or a team ranked lower than 20 in the world..... and I'm not sure he will make the next big tournament