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South east news today. Guy gets 100 hrs community service for killing a girl and injuring another..... death via driving under the influence of drugs.

Disgusting.

Im more disgusted at myself for being angry at the fact that I got jailed 4 driving disq whilst he gets a wee slap. When I should be disgusted at this tits idiotic actions and his barraster being a weasel.

I think you've got every right to be angry on a personal level as well - I'd defy anyone in your position not to.

The chap pleaded guilty to driving dangerously AFTER the girl was killed, he was not sentenced, or charged, with death by dangerous driving, if he had he would have been given years.

This is just another example of our wonderful country that Im beginning to lose patience in. You read about these sorta things in the papers every day and if I'm totally honest, It really Fu@ks me off. Its like them 3 lads who were sentenced a few weeks back for a totally unprovoked random knife attack which resulted in a lad losing his life, and the other seriously injured. It was all cought on CCTV Footage which was being show on a Newspapers website. It was a horrific incident and the sentences they got were truly laughable and a dam right insult to the families of the 2 lads. 15 yrs and 2 separate 5 yr sentences for the 3 guys who carried out this sick crime. They'll all be out after 8 years for good behaviour and back to their normal lives. Shame that can't be said about the lad who's life was taken.
England is truly becoming the laughing stock of the world and at times, I'm ashamed to say that I'm a citizen.

it was the same in Holland a few years ago.

2 Guys beat an asylum seeker to death with a club (completely unprovoked...sort of their version of a happy slap) and got sentenced to 3 months....yes 3 months!!!

it's the same every where. I am not in favour of sticking everyone who commits a crime in jail for a very long time but a bit of perspective is called for IMO. and that seems to be lost in the legal system ATM. Mainly due to the pc brigade having told everyone for ages that it's always someone else's fault (Mommy, daddy, uncle) when someone commits a crime.

Yeah stuff like this makes me sick and sad. My wife has to sometimes defend these pricks in court, I do wonder if she "try's" as hard when they are the scum of the earth like this indivdual.

The system is geared to making people plead guilty and thus saving the court and tax payers lots of money in long court cases and more time in jail. But this means alot shorter sentances for serious crimes.

its a joke

a girl in my works (shes only 18) dad died a few months back. some drunk in a fast car overtook someone else at a bend and hit him head on.  he died instanly    they driver was fine.

hes due in court soon and she keeps reading about this in the paper. ppl gettin community service and 3 months here etc.. and she gets really upset.... thinking that that this is whats gonna happen to this guy.  and u try to tell her everythings gonna be fine  .  without actually saying yeh thats this what hes gonna get

Evreyone else miss this post?

the report I read also said he was in possession of drugs - not under the influence of drugs. 

actually he was under the influence of drugs when arrested..they just couldn't prove he was under the influence of them during the accident. (he could have taken them afterwards)

Nobody claimed he was charged with death by dangerous driving. Which is the shocking thing.

boldie is correct. he tested positive for ecstacy and cannabis 24 hours after the accident. Which is enough of a time difference to argue he took them after the incident.

Got to love the legal system.

About 3 years ago I had a major RTA when a woman decided it would be fun to drive towards me on my side of the road. I later found out she was drunk on medicition and uninsured. As a result I was entitled to some compensation via MIB (motor insurance bureu). But this is how our wonderful legal system works.

If you don't agree a sum out of court what happens is that the defence can pay an amount into the court it feels is appriopriate. Then as the victim if I decline this amount I then have to get a judgement that either equasl or beats this figure otherwise I will incur ALL the court fees for both partie. Effectively I have to gamble on the judgement of a single person on a given day. I also have to make my decision as a person with no legal experience or understanding of what the reasonable expectations in relation to my case. Ok, you might be able to get some advice from your solicitor but then again they may just want a case over and done with without the hassle of going to court.

So it's a simply choice, do you hope to get figure you believe you are entitled too and risk losing everything. The really outrageous thing is that the defence can then slowly increase that figure and you then have to beat that new figure in court or incur considerable costs. The system is nothing better than you would get from a used car salesman. The truth is it's worse because whilst being the vicitim you are the one being focused into a decision or having to take a potentially expensive gamble.

THAT'S JUSTICE.

So would this have been some kind of "plea-bargain" wherby he pleads guilty to the lesser offence ?

Or could he still be charged with causing death by dangerous driving ?

Plea bargins don't work that way. You have to have been charged with a higher offence for it to be dropped :)

Robert says he was never charged with it in the first place, so the police either themselves or under direction from the CPS only found cause to charge him for dangerous driving, which he plead to apparently

presumably there is no evidence that he was driving dangerously at the time of the accident

Perhaps he wasn't....

Does the Daily Mail have a forum?

Well if I realised that this came from the Daily Mail which imo is the lowest form of rabble-rousing gutter press

I may well have sought out a second opinion before taking their report seriously.

They are more than capable of spinning the facts to suit their own ends.

yes - they say hanging isn't good enough

I don't know where the initial report came from.

I just thought the knee-jerk reactions, assumptions and insinuations displayed in this thread might feel more at home in a Daily Mail forum.

I don't wish belittle anyone who has had personal experiences of any kind of injustice. I just think everyone should be more careful before jumping to conclusions.

South East News according to first post.  I read about it yesterday in the Metro (day after this thread was started) and it was quite simply reported in there that the guy had been charged with dangerous driving after the accident (and presumably failing to stop at the scene of the accident although I can't remember).

There was no indication that the accident was his fault, which leads me to the conclusion that he knocked this girl over, panicked, drove off, was understandably driving dangerously as he'd just knocked someone over, got home and got off his face.  If that's the case, then I think the punishment was a fair one.

Yep - failure to stop and report, dangerous driving and possession of drugs:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/5141742.stm

good point, tactfully made.

Yay people have seen sense in this thread! Phew!!

Stop believing the tabloids!

Prison for driving whilst disqualified (I was sitting in my stationary car in my own road when the police went past and they claimed they had seen me driving. My original ban was 1 month in length, for carelessly mounting a kerb in a narrow street during a police random stop).

Community service for killing someone, panicking, driving dangerously and endangering other road users, and taking a cocktail of illegal substances (either before, during or after the aforementioned killing).

Either I got off lightly or he

Sadly not

do you know this case Robert?

Still the familly could now bring a private prosecution. Onus of proof isn't as strict there. (RHM will correct me if I'm wrong).

basis of probability  vs  beyond that of a reasonable doubt.

Police stopping people who are driving down the pavement is profiling.  :D

Profiling is just wrong.

my niece and her friend were killed by a driver driving off a straight road into a 12 ft drain, in the dry. Her plea was i wasnt concentrating. have a guess at the penalty?

3pts and a fine to cover the cost of recovering the vehicle?

Utilius est autem absolvi innocentem quam nocentem causam non dicere.

Makes even less sense when translated!

It is more important that the innocent is acquitted than that the guilty is not brought to justice.

It is more important that the innocent is acquitted than that the guilty is not brought to justice.

Pffft.... you reply quicker than google.

Only what I have read, carefully.
Balance of probability v beyond reasonable doubt (close)